#15 Woman DIES in SURGERY, asks ANGELS to go back and JESUS WAKES her UP! | @michelleclare8739

Tania (00:01.053)

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Tania (00:15.389)

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Tania (00:20.157)

Welcome to today's episode. Today we have a very special guest, Michelle Claire, whose journey is nothing short of remarkable. Michelle had three near -death experiences and two shared -death experiences, but her story doesn't end there. Michelle delves into the realms beyond the physical, exploring pre -life soul plans, angels, spirit guides, and even the profound navigation of the loss of the tragic passing of her partner. Welcome to the Celestival podcast, Michelle. I'm so excited to have you here.

Michelle Clare (00:50.126)

thank you so much. I am so excited to be here with you tonight.

Tania (00:54.525)

Michelle, tell us about what was your life like before you had all of these near -death experiences? Like, that's a lot of experiences, right? How was it like before?

Michelle Clare (01:04.014)

Yeah, it's a lot. And I was raised Catholic, so that was kind of the background that I had grown up in. I remember being around first grade when I started to feel a little bit of difference between what I believed to be true and what I was being told was true. My dog had died and my Sunday school teacher told me my dog didn't go to heaven. And I remember being crushed and heartbroken because she said animals don't have souls. But...

Besides that, with the Catholic faith, some of the good things for me were we were raised to believe that there were angels and saints and Mother Mary and all of these beings that wanted to help us. And so that was kind of the good side with it. I really, you know, I did believe in it for quite a while. When I was 12 years old, my grandfather passed. And at that point in time, what I realized was he was still talking to me from the other side. So.

I would tell my mom what my grandpa would say and she would say, that's what you think he would say if he was still here. And I realized pretty quickly that was just a conversation between me and him that not everyone else was having this situation. A few years later, my grandma passed, I had a similar situation. And then I started having my near death experiences. The first one was in April of 2000.

Tania (02:08.317)

I'm sorry.

Tania (02:27.165)

Okay, can you tell us what happened in the first near -death experience?

Michelle Clare (02:31.406)

Yeah, so I was in a hospital that day because my sister -in -law was having a baby and I was talking to her nurse in the hallway who was my friend from high school and as we were out there talking I had a massive seizure. So what I remember is just talking to her and the next thing I know I'm opening my eyes and I'm laying with my head in my grandma's lap.

And my grandma is looking at me and smiling very lovingly. She is the youngest version of her that I remember. And I just start to look around and I noticed that I'm in this white room, but the walls appear to be alive. They have like cells or molecules in them that are radiating light and love. And they almost seem to be solid and yet breathing or moving. And as I was laying in this space that had no time,

blissful, unconditional love. I look up next to my grandma and I notice that there's a 12 -foot angel standing next to her. And when I look at this angel, I'm really just drawn into her presence. And I want to look to see her feather wings. So I look for her wings and what I actually notice is they were not made of feathers, they were made of light. And as I was just laying, really in awe and bliss right there,

I thought to myself, I thought, what is your name? And she answered me in my head. She said, my name is Madeline. I'm one of your guardian angels. And I was surprised because I didn't know anything about telepathic communication. and so she heard what I was thinking. And the next thing I know, I hear somebody yelling code, code, code, and I'm back in my body. So I had quit breathing during the seizure. They were already calling the code team since I was in the hospital.

And I just remember when I got back into my body, it felt like I fell out of a two story building. I felt shoved back into it. It felt dense. It felt heavy. It was a little bit jolting to go from feeling light as a feather to like a hundred pounds of cement.

Tania (04:38.109)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (04:43.229)

Hmm. So when you were there, right, usually a lot of the people, what they say is when they see the other side, they don't want to come back. So did you feel disappointed when you came back?

Michelle Clare (04:53.518)

You know, at that point in my life, I wasn't disappointed, but I did not know what had happened. I had not heard the term near death experience. So I knew I had this experience. I knew my grandma was there. And for me in hindsight, that was really almost an awakening to the angelic realm and the fact that we have so much help around us. So I didn't know I was going to have a seizure that day, but my grandma and my guardian angel did, and they were right there waiting for me.

Tania (05:01.725)

Hmm.

Tania (05:23.037)

Wow. You know, one of the things in the Course in Miracles book is they say there's a lesson every day. And one of the lessons is today you're going to look at every single thing. It's like, OK, this phone right here, I see God in the phone right here. So when you said even the walls were alive and they were breathing, that's so difficult for me to understand. But then you've said that you've seen it, which is just fascinating. How old were you, by the way, for the first one?

Michelle Clare (05:51.15)

So when that one happened, I believe I was 24. Yeah.

Tania (05:55.133)

24, wow, okay. So that's young. Tell us about the second one.

Michelle Clare (05:59.598)

Thank you.

Okay, so at that one when I had the first one I was married I didn't have any kids so my next near -death experience happens in May of 2006 and at that point in my life I have a five -year -old a two and a half year old and I had just had an infant six weeks prior to that my son and when I had him I had a lot of complications during the delivery so I was in the hospital the majority of the following six weeks.

Tania (06:26.397)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (06:30.894)

The doctor said we need to do a DNC, which is a procedure where they clear out your uterus. And they said, we think once we do this, you'll be fine. You'll get to go home. It'll be outpatient 45 minutes, make it really easy. And the night before I had this pit in my stomach and I knew I should not do this. But they told me it'd be easy. It'd be safe. I'd be done in 45 minutes. So I went in.

Tania (06:36.637)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (06:58.286)

I had had anesthesia before and whenever I've had anesthesia, it's just a blank. I don't have dreams, I don't have memories, just nothing. So I remember counting backwards for the anesthesiologist. And then the next thing I know, I look over and my beautiful 102 pound white German shepherd who had passed away a couple years before walks into the operating room, lays her head on my gurney and we are gone.

Tania (07:06.237)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (07:25.07)

And we are on this phenomenal beach. And this beach has colors that we don't have here on planet earth. It has smells. It has almost like even emotions that we don't have here. Every piece of sand, every drop of water, every flower, every leaf is radiating this light and love from inside. And my dog and I are on this beach and she looks like she's about two years old. She's young, she's healthy, her coat is shiny.

We're telepathically communicating. She's happy that I'm there and we're running and running and running. And so what I start to notice is the sand on the beach isn't hard. It feels like I'm running on clouds. And then I noticed we're not getting hot. We're not getting tired. We're not getting thirsty. And so I become aware that really in this space, there's just each breath and each step. There doesn't appear to be anything more than the present moment.

And as I'm in this energy, I can feel my son who was six weeks old and at the house with my mom energetically calling to me because he knew I was getting ready to leave. And so at that point in time, I go to my son and I said to him, I said, I'll find a way to stay. I'm not going to leave you. And so what I start doing is I start praying. I start saying, it's not my time. I need help. My kids still need me.

And in that moment, I'm transported back into the operating room. Jesus comes in. Jesus came in as my friend, not as somebody that I should be on my knees praying to or bowing down to, but really this unconditional love of your best friend. The operating room lit up with this beautiful golden white light. And the next thing I know, I'm waking up in the post -op and I had been in there.

I don't know how long I was in post -op, but my surgery that was supposed to be 45 minutes turned into a three and a half hour emergency surgery because they had ruptured my uterus in multiple places and missed my artery by a millimeter.

Tania (09:33.725)

Okay, so why do you think they showed this image to you? The one in the beach with the dog?

Michelle Clare (09:40.238)

Yeah, well, I think it was for a few reasons. Number one, I mean, this was like my soul dog. I love this dog so much. So it was beautiful. I think also if we go back to earlier in life, like my first trauma as a child Catholic was being told my dog didn't make it to heaven. And yet here's my beautiful dog greeting me on this beach. So I mean, there was some healing in that even though I already believed she was there. So I feel like it was a soul connection.

Tania (09:56.765)

yeah.

Michelle Clare (10:09.134)

The beach is my happy place. I love the beach, the water, the sand. So what I have found since then is that a lot of times when we transition into that heavenly realm, actually I would say almost every time, what we are gonna be met with is something that is loving and compassionate and something that we would be kind of expecting because that heavenly realm is all about love and comfort.

Tania (10:14.717)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (10:35.758)

So if I showed up there and I said, I don't think aliens exist. And I was greeted by an alien with three heads. I would not feel comfortable. Right. So, so, and so the universe, God's source, the divine, whatever your words are for that higher power is always going to welcome you home in a way that is comfortable and in a way that you're somewhat expecting.

Tania (10:43.197)

Hmm. Yeah.

Tania (10:58.269)

So you think that all the, I mean, this, I don't know, but all the animals they have souls, do they think like us?

Michelle Clare (11:04.27)

So they don't necessarily think like us, their brains are a little bit different, but absolutely they have souls and consciousness.

Tania (11:11.997)

And how do they understand what we're saying? Like, did you and your dog have a telepathic communication when you were there at the beach?

Michelle Clare (11:19.694)

Yes, absolutely.

Tania (11:21.821)

that is beautiful. And Jesus came, when Jesus came, what was it like for you when you saw Jesus walk into the room?

Michelle Clare (11:29.422)

You know, it just felt like I could relax into his energy. It was helps here. I'm going to be okay. It was, it was just literally an answer to a prayer, which was, it's not my time to leave. My kids still need me. And I remember feeling encompassed by his love and compassion when he came into the room.

Tania (11:52.093)

Do you think everybody chooses when they leave? Like if I die, I can choose to come back. Is this like an option that is available to everybody?

Michelle Clare (12:00.11)

It is, and it's never mandated because think about that heavenly realm. It's all about love and compassion. Now think about your favorite vacation spot, wherever that is, right? If you went to your favorite vacation spot for about 200 years, after a while you would probably be like, is there another restaurant? Is there something else to do? What else can we do here? Right? And that's really what we find in this heavenly realm. It's not that we're bored. It's amazing and perfect.

Tania (12:12.253)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (12:23.645)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (12:29.326)

but our souls want to continue to learn and grow and evolve. So after we go back and we rest for a period, we're kind of like, okay, let's go play another game on planet earth and see how this one works out.

Tania (12:38.013)

Yeah.

Tania (12:42.077)

That makes total sense. It does get boring and that's why people start these crazy games all the time because it gets boring when it's too nice. Tell us about your third near -death experience.

Michelle Clare (12:48.214)

Yeah.

Okay, so the third one happened on November 1st, 2011. At that point in time, my kids were five, eight and 10. And for people who like numbers, that's 1111. So there were a lot of ones in that number. I have, yeah, I have 14 foot ceilings in my home. And so I was about 12 feet off the ground where I have battery operated candles and I was changing the batteries in them. So as I climbed up the ladder, I felt the ladder start to shift.

Tania (13:06.205)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (13:22.766)

And as it started to shift, I remember just thinking, this is gonna hurt. I knew I was gonna fall down. And at that moment, I was ripped out of my body, not in a painful way, but in a very fast way. I was turned around, facing my body in the ladder suspended in the air, like a freeze frame in a movie. It was just frozen in time. And I was standing with these three people. And I did not know these people, but they felt like,

Tania (13:36.125)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (13:52.014)

family. They felt like friends that knew me deeply my whole life story. One was an Asian man, one was an Egyptian woman, and one was a Hawaiian man. And as I stood there with them, they said to me, what do you want to do? Do you want to stay or do you want to go? And at that moment, I was trying to understand how I had forever to decide what I wanted to do when I knew my body was going to hit the floor in about a second.

Tania (14:09.757)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (14:20.59)

And it was really interesting because I kind of got caught in my mind on that. And as I was thinking about how is this going to work? Nobody's rushing me. I have forever to decide, but I see my body hanging in the air. I saw this beautiful angel, different than the one in my first near -death experience, dressed in red and gold. And as this angel came in, I knew immediately this angel is here to either take me home or to shift something so that I could stay. And at that point in time, I looked down.

Tania (14:32.477)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (14:50.478)

I saw my two younger kids in the kitchen and I knew immediately that I needed to stay. And when I made that decision, I was downloaded with information then. It was like, okay, but now you've got to go back and do your mediumship and help people in the way that you can help them and do the communication that you can do. And so I absolutely remember agreeing. I was also told at that point in time,

that my 25 year marriage would most likely end in divorce and that there was going to be more trauma to come. And yet in that heavenly realm and looking at my kids, I was set, okay, okay, I'll go back in. Yeah, so I go back into my body, my body falls, I hit the back of my head back here on the corner of the granite kitchen island. So I had a five and a half inch skull fracture, a brain bleed, I lost my taste, my smell.

Tania (15:25.853)

Bring it on!

Michelle Clare (15:43.471)

my equilibrium, part of my hearing. So I had a lot of traumatic brain injury from that.

Tania (15:51.389)

How long did it take for you to recover from that?

Michelle Clare (15:54.382)

I'm actually still, I still do cranial sacral therapy every few weeks for that. So it's still healing, but it took me, when I first got to the hospital and I was in ICU, because my equilibrium had been pretty much destroyed, I couldn't even sit up. So it took a lot of...

vestibular therapy, some physical therapy, different things to get me up. And it was a really, really hard couple of years after that.

Tania (16:27.485)

I'm so sorry about that. Why did they give you, I mean, why did this happen? There are so many ways where you could open up, it sounds like they were just trying to open up your chakras, right? I mean, I don't know. It sounds like, were they trying to do that? There could have been so many easier ways to do that, right? So why the NDEs?

Michelle Clare (16:38.062)

Yeah!

Michelle Clare (16:43.726)

I well, I agree with you. I would say this, I am I think what had happened was, I had been tapped on the shoulder a couple of times, and I kept ignoring it. And I kept going back to my life and just being human and forgetting maybe my higher calling or other reasons why my soul wanted to be here. I don't think it had to be that extreme. But I do think because that was the only in D E.

Tania (16:54.365)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (17:11.118)

that I was given a choice in, that at that point in time, it was either like, okay, get on track and finish the plan or come home.

Tania (17:20.125)

Okay, when you say a tap on the shoulder, right? What does that mean? Because I want to know if I am ignoring any taps. I don't want these and these.

Michelle Clare (17:25.326)

It's a, yeah. Right? That's a very good point. So I feel like the universe, God's source, the divine, whatever everyone's word is for that higher power is constantly trying to get our attention along with our angels and our life guides. So sometimes we hear that as intuition. It's a whisper, don't do that. Go 15 minutes later, call your friend, right? We're always receiving information from the universe.

Tania (17:50.749)

Mmm.

Michelle Clare (17:52.91)

And so I think that when I say tap on the shoulder, I feel like the universe had been nudging me in that direction. I was having more spiritual abilities. I was getting more gifts. I just didn't know what to do with it. And so I would continue to choose to ignore it until it really came to this point where it was like, all right, Michelle, your soul had a plan when you chose to come in here, let's get on schedule.

Tania (18:17.373)

Who were the three people that you met? Did you know them before?

Michelle Clare (18:21.358)

So I did not know at that point in time, but now I know that they were my lifeguides. But at that point in time, when I had that near -death experience, I didn't even know what a lifeguide was. I didn't know what a near -death experience was. I didn't have those terms in my vocabulary, but what I found out later is those were my lifeguides.

Tania (18:41.501)

Okay, so this third near -death experience is what allowed you to open up to mediumship. Before that you were not, did you have these abilities before? Or like, how was it, how did it change?

Michelle Clare (18:50.67)

Yeah, so I did have some before like with my grandparents and I was able to connect to my immediate family for the most part on the other side. But what happened with this this became very widespread then. So a few months later I would start getting downloaded with information from a friend's husband who had passed or from somebody else's loved one. And so it really opened it up to a higher level and.

I ended up going to counseling and then the counselor helped me find a mentor to help me realize how I could train this and really work with it.

Tania (19:30.045)

Okay, that makes sense. The first time you said your grandfather came through, right? One of my followers, grandmother came through. One of my followers said that after her father passed away, she started getting smell of the cigarettes. So why do they try to give you these, these kind of things? What are they are they trying to communicate?

Michelle Clare (19:36.302)

My grandmother.

Michelle Clare (19:51.246)

Yeah, they are. They are always wanting to send us signs. And so a lot of times they're going to give us something that we connect with them. So let's say that your followers other grandfather didn't smoke. They're not going to send her that smell. It's something that that follower will connect with the grandfather that has already passed that did smoke. So they want to give us things that we will recognize and connect to them. Now they're not really coming through with some urgent,

Message usually they are coming through to let you know. I love you. I support you. I'm okay I'm perfect in this heavenly realm and I'm here with you

Tania (20:22.397)

Hmm.

Tania (20:31.229)

Okay, that is beautiful to know because it sounds like it's some urgency and then maybe you should try to communicate with them or something because they get scared, right? When you get these kind of messages, that makes sense.

Michelle Clare (20:42.606)

Yeah, some people get worried. They think it means something bad's about to happen or and really I have never had a situation where it was that every situation I've ever had. It's like they just want you to know they're still connected to you and they're still loving you.

Tania (20:59.293)

That's beautiful. Can you tell us about your shared death experiences?

Michelle Clare (21:04.27)

Yeah, so I've had two. The first one I had, I actually had with my dog. So my dog had lymphoma and we had to have her euthanized. And at that point in time, we had the vet come to my house. I was not trying to be a medium. I was just crying. I was on the floor in my pajamas and hugging her. And as they administered the anesthesia, I felt her soul disconnect from her body. And it was so gentle.

It was like a feather on the wind. And as that disconnected, I heard my mom who was in spirit tell me, I've got her now. And then about a minute later, the vet said she's gone. But I knew it because I had felt the beautiful gentle release and I felt where she had gone. And so it was so beautiful. The other near death or shared death experience that I had was actually this past January.

And that one, I was at the salon getting my hair done and my lady came back and said, we have a guy who has passed out up front. We had to call 911. So as I get up and I'm walking towards the front of the building, I hear spirit tell me fentanyl overdose. So by the time I get up there, the police are there and they're starting to work on him, but I can feel his soul around me. I can feel that he,

Tania (22:09.757)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (22:26.51)

did not plan on dying, it was an accidental overdose, and he's a little bit confused. And so I just start praying and calling in the light and the angels for this man, for the police, for the paramedics, for the first responders. And what happens at that point in time is we actually almost kind of link in. So I go and I sit back down in my lady's chair, and at this point they have him loaded in the ambulance and they're driving to a hospital somewhere.

I could feel that he was coding, that his heart had stopped. I could feel that they were using the paddles trying to resuscitate him. And then I also felt his soul gently release and go to that heavenly realm.

Tania (23:11.996)

Right. So they did go, they did transition on both of these situations. Even when you pray, do you think when you pray, they would be able to like, if someone's in coma, and then the entire family prays for them, what happens then? Are we trying to pull them back when they want to stay in heaven?

Michelle Clare (23:17.23)

Yes.

Michelle Clare (23:29.774)

So no, that's us thinking we have a lot of power as humans because this is a decision being made on a soul level. So I always say, yeah, pray for the people that you love or situations because what that is is it's a form of energy. So what you're doing if your loved ones in the hospital in a coma and you're praying for them, you are sending them energy and you're sending their soul energy and healing. Now their soul is still gonna make the decision that's best for their soul, whether that is,

Tania (23:35.229)

Okay.

Michelle Clare (23:59.374)

You know, a lot of souls don't get a choice. I want to say that. That's one of the most common questions I get asked. Did my loved one get a choice and choose to not come back? I don't find that. I find that most loved ones who transition, there's no choice. It's time to go home.

Tania (24:04.893)

Is it?

Tania (24:18.077)

What is purgatory according to you?

Michelle Clare (24:22.638)

What is what? Purgatory?

Tania (24:24.253)

Yeah, do you know what is purgatory? We see it in the church and all that all of our family after they die, they are in purgatory and then we need to keep praying for them so that they keep going higher to heaven. What does that mean? Is it true?

Michelle Clare (24:27.31)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (24:36.622)

Yeah, well, that's how I grew up as a Catholic too. So let me tell you something about this. This is a little bit of a side note. My mom was dying of breast cancer and about six months before she passed, I said to her mom, I have really good news for you. There is no purgatory. You're gonna go straight to heaven. And she glared at me. She was so mad that I had said that.

Tania (24:44.189)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (25:05.902)

And it took me years to realize that she had lived her life as a very dedicated Catholic. And so in a weird way, I had taken away her life's mission when I had told her like, you just get to go, because she wanted to believe she had earned it, right? She had earned the right to be there. So that Catholic idea of purgatory sounds very similar to what you're talking about. Yes, that our loved ones would be in...

Tania (25:19.901)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (25:32.334)

almost a holding area where they're not quite good enough to get in, but they're getting closer and we're praying for them and sending them energy. Now that is nothing that is imposed on a soul by God's source, the divine. I will tell you this, I have had cases where someone has transitioned by suicide.

they still go to the light. But let's think of it about a house. Maybe they just feel like walking in the front door, but they don't feel comfortable enough to go to the living room and sit down yet, right? So they're still there. They're still being loved. They're still in the light. Their angels, their loved ones, their lifeguides are saying, come on in, come sit down. But it's not something that is imposed on them from a source above them. It's more self -imposed.

Tania (26:04.061)

Hmm.

Tania (26:22.525)

Hmm. You know, when you say your grandmother, your mother, when you told her that there's no purgatory and how she responded, right? That is the kind of response that I get all the time when I tell them there's no hell. People kind of get pissed off. Why do they get pissed off? It's a good thing, right, that there's no hell.

Michelle Clare (26:34.35)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (26:39.246)

Right? Yeah, no, I get it. Well, number one, it's their conditioning because many people are believe are born and conditioned to believe there's a hell right. So they're agitated because you're going against their belief system. Number one, that's usually the first thing. But then the second thing is people who are very religious, right? They what is their what is their motive to be good? So they don't go to hell.

Tania (26:55.933)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (27:05.806)

So now if you're taking away their motive, right, then they get even more upset. And that's why I always just say, just be a good person. It doesn't matter, be a good human, right? But really what we find in society today, and I'm sure this is everywhere, it's becoming more polarizing and it seems like people are having less tolerance for different belief systems.

Tania (27:10.525)

Yeah.

Tania (27:31.805)

I agree. That's true. They do get offended. They get defensive. But if you say something that just attacks their beliefs, it's very true. You know, what do you think hell is in your I mean, amongst us, like for us, I guess, in Christians and in Muslims, when we talk about hell, it's like you are in a fireplace and then you got I think Muslims believe that you your skin keeps getting regenerated so that you can feel the heat or something.

What all could hell be? What does hell mean? Why do they talk like that in the religion? Is there something behind it?

Michelle Clare (28:01.71)

Right.

Michelle Clare (28:09.294)

You know in my idea the way it feels to me and from my experience. Yes Because a lot of times now I want to say this very clearly. I am NOT against religion I think there are beautiful religions that have many amazing qualities and I thought I think a lot of people need that to give them Like a blueprint on how to connect with God or source. So by no means am I against religion at all, but I

in a lot of ways, they are also created to control people and to control them by fear, right? So whenever, this is one thing I will tell you, whenever you think there is someone that can lead you closer to God or source, that's a misconception. No one is closer to the divine than you are. Now, there might be people who say, hey, why don't you try this tip or this trick or try praying this way?

Tania (28:55.613)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (29:06.222)

Awesome. Suggestions are amazing, but I cannot enhance your connection with Source, nor can any other human. You're already a spark of the divine.

Tania (29:06.269)

Yeah.

Tania (29:17.981)

That makes sense. You know, one of the things that I, once I started exploring the other side, once I started opening my mind to everything other than religion, I started getting, I feel I felt like I had missed so many years of my life believing the wrong thing. And then I started getting impatient. Then I'm like, I want to know what Michelle knows. So I keep trying to see what Michelle can see. What did Michelle do? Okay, is it the near -death experience? Hey, can you give me a near -death experience? So that, you know, it just started getting...

Michelle Clare (29:47.054)

Bye.

Tania (29:48.029)

You get really impatient because you want to see what is on the other side. When do you think, can you tell us what do you do as a medium? Because right now you're a medium, right? What do mediums do and when should someone approach a medium?

Michelle Clare (29:59.342)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (30:03.15)

Right, so that's a great question. So not all mediums work the way that I do. So I connect with angels, loved ones in spirit, lifeguides, some psychic information, and also medical intuition. The way that I work. So the right time to connect with a medium is when it feels right for you. I have had some people call me the next day after their loved ones passed. I have had some people wait 25 years and say, I wish I had done this sooner.

Tania (30:26.333)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (30:32.942)

So the right time is really dependent on the person who is still here and still grieving. But what I really do when I'm working is I open up my energy. I connect to your loved ones in spirit. My job is to be a clear channel and to hear the messages that they're sharing with you, whether that's from your angels, your lifeguides, or your loved ones. And what I will tell you that I always find is that each of us has a spirit team on the other side.

So very often in this life we feel alone or like we're having to do it by ourselves, but that's not true. Your loved ones in spirit are supporting you, your angels in your life guide. And a lot of times they're really good at giving you information to help you navigate a challenge that's coming up or which job should I take, should I move. Your spirit team knows you and the best opportunities coming up.

Tania (31:29.341)

Has there ever been a situation where you tried to connect and then nothing came through?

Michelle Clare (31:35.15)

There have been a couple occasions where that has happened. Now, I don't want to say nothing, but let's say somebody comes to me and they have very, I don't know if they're very skeptical or very closed off energy, because what happens is myself, the person getting the reading in spirit, we make like an energy triangle. So sometimes there will be times where it's like, yes, I can get angel messages for you or something else.

but they're like, but I wanna talk to whoever, right? And sometimes that will be a challenge. It's very rare. It's happened maybe a handful of times in the last decade. But what that tells me is not all mediums communicate the same way and not all loved ones on the other side communicate the same way. So sometimes it is a kind of like a frequency that doesn't line up.

Tania (32:06.622)

Mm.

Tania (32:27.677)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (32:29.326)

And the other thing would be sometimes maybe I'm just not the right fit for that person or maybe that other medium isn't. but like I said, it's really, really rare. I have done thousands of readings over the years and the other mediums that I talked to also, and we've had it happen maybe five times. So it's not very common.

Tania (32:50.845)

So if you have to speak to someone on the other side, right? You have to, you have to lower your vibration, raise your vibration. What is it like?

Michelle Clare (32:59.95)

Yeah, so I raise my vibration and spirit world lowers theirs and that's how we meet. So it's really important for me to go in and like kind of like an empty mind space, real clean, clear channel, just open and not trying to guess what this person needs to hear or what's going on. My job is just to translate the information as it flows through.

Tania (33:08.157)

Okay.

Tania (33:27.101)

Okay, that makes sense. You know, there was a situation where I was speaking to a medium. I was just having a random conversation. I didn't even want to do a mediumship, but my aunt came through. And my aunt had died a tragic, a traumatic death. She fell off of a train. Her hand had cut off and fallen on another house, and it was a very traumatic death. And this happened some 20, 30 years back. So she came through. It was just two, three weeks back.

Michelle Clare (33:38.094)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (33:56.125)

When she was speaking to my aunt, the medium started getting very uncomfortable. Like she started sweating and she started getting panic attacks or not even panic attacks. Like she started getting anxious because she said that my aunt was at a very low vibrational state and that aunt was still suffering over there. Is this what hell could mean? Because what if someone dies in a traumatic death? Is there something that we could do?

to help them go to the, you know, to raise their vibration or, and then what happened is she told the aunt to go to the light and the aunt asked her, how do I go to the light? So she said, just look up, the light is there. And my aunt looked up, apparently, I can't see what's happening on the other side, but this is what she said. Aunt looked up, she saw the light and then she left. What do you make out of all of these things?

Michelle Clare (34:45.294)

Right?

Yeah, so I will say this, even if someone passes unexpectedly and traumatically, they usually go straight to the light because they have angels, loved ones in spirit who are already there and life guides who are saying, hey, come this way, come on home, the lights over here. So it's not common for that to happen. That's the first thing I want to tell you. The other thing that I would say is yes, that's a part about praying for them or sending them energy or wanting them to have an easy transition so that if they are,

Tania (35:03.229)

Yes.

Michelle Clare (35:17.518)

Somehow in that in between space they can go to the light what I do Really appreciate about this is the fact that she told you the light was right above her The light is always there. No one is ever stuck in a situation that isn't with light And so earlier we were talking about hell. Is there a hell? What you described would be the hellish experience. She wasn't in the light, but she wasn't on planet earth however, the lights always right there waiting for her just

Tania (35:37.629)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (35:47.182)

waiting to welcome her home.

Tania (35:49.501)

How could she have avoided that while living, right? There must be a reason why she had that kind of an experience. Maybe that happened because of the way she lived her life on earth. How could we avoid something like that?

Michelle Clare (36:01.838)

Yeah, well, I don't know. Was she very fearful? Do you know if she was a very fearful woman? Yeah, so.

Tania (36:05.693)

Yeah, she had an abusive relationship with her husband.

Michelle Clare (36:11.406)

Yeah, that was the energy I was feeling. So I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. So when we live life from a place of fear, either of religion or war, or all of these things that create fear in us, what happens is our mind isn't expecting to see this beautiful, loving light, we're kind of caught up in the nightmare of planet Earth. And so it could throw somebody off when they're getting ready to transition. The other thing,

obviously with your aunt was her passing was really unexpected. So she was a very fearful person. She didn't have an illness where she had a year to think about it, you know? And so it sounds like it was kind of like the perfect combination of everything coming together. I would also say this though, some souls want to have the experience of what's it like in the in -between. I don't wanna go straight to heaven. I wanna spend some time in the in -between.

Tania (36:48.381)

Yeah.

Tania (37:07.325)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (37:07.534)

And because source is loving and divine, the answer would be like, okay, if your soul would like to stay in between for a couple years or 20 years, okay, you can come home when you're ready.

Tania (37:19.101)

Makes sense. Do you see spirits all the time? How is it? How do you see spirits? Like, do you see any spirits around just random people? Do you see them? Do you hear them? What is it like?

Michelle Clare (37:29.454)

Yeah. So, for me, most of my information comes through as feelings. So I'm not actually seeing your loved one standing in front of me. Once in a while I will hear some words, but I mostly feel it's like a transmission of feelings that I am turning into words and the way that I work. So I am not walking around at the grocery store, reading everybody or, you know, doing that. No.

Tania (37:52.381)

Ha ha ha.

Michelle Clare (37:52.718)

When I'm gonna open up, I, you know, when I have a reading at my house or whatever I'm doing, I will literally set the intention. I will let my team know, okay, time to work, time to share this love with this person. And I really open up and I go into that reading with all of my channels on to get everything that I can for them. And then when I'm done with that session, I kind of close it down. So I'm still getting information for me if I need it from my team.

but I'm not walking around reading people. If that was the situation, I would never be able to get even through the grocery store.

Tania (38:28.701)

Yeah, obviously that would have been a very scary experience. Is death a new beginning? Is death like, what is this? Is death meaning, okay, that's it, new beginning, reset.

Michelle Clare (38:40.43)

Yeah, death, death isn't even yes, new beginning, but more than that death is just a disconnection from this physical body because there is no death. It's just life after life after life, right? So think about our body as a vehicle. It's like our car. So in this life, I chose this vehicle of Michelle and I'm going to drive it.

until I'm done and then I'm going to get out of my car and I'm going to go into the house. And that's kind of the energy. That's how our souls see our body. They are our vehicle that allows us to be here on planet.

Tania (39:20.861)

You know, one of the questions I got is, if our life is free will choice, then why does death happen to us?

Michelle Clare (39:28.718)

Well, I'll tell you because your soul doesn't see death as death your soul sees death is getting out of the car and coming home So our souls aren't looking at that saying like my gosh, that's death. Our souls are like, okay good game next What do you want to do now? It's a different energy. That's our human perspective Why does death have to happen, right? but also let's just be really realistic right now. We live in a world where

Tania (39:38.429)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (39:56.494)

Our bodies maybe make it 100 years. You know, I mean, and usually by the time you get to that point, you're tired of your aching old body and you're ready to step into a new vehicle or freedom from the old vehicle. So it's not, that's a human perception, but the soul perception is different. The soul does not see death. Each lifetime is just like a different experience, right? It's not a death.

Tania (40:20.773)

Bashar has said, you know, Bashar, the channeler, he said that right now on the planet, there are so many people who were supposed to die, but who are still alive. So he said there's a lot of people who are chosen this other experience. Can you tell us what happened? So you said you went there and you they said that you're going to go through a divorce. Right. And you came back. You went through the divorce and then you found someone else.

Michelle Clare (40:26.382)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (40:32.494)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (40:36.302)

Right.

Michelle Clare (40:44.462)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (40:49.085)

and then what happened, you know, the whole situation.

Michelle Clare (40:49.358)

Yes.

Yeah, so I fell in love again and it was, I knew that he had depression, but there was no warning sign at this point in time. So what had happened is we had been together about a year and I left, I went out to town with my daughter to go see my sister. And that day I tried to call him when we were coming home and he didn't answer and he didn't text back. And I thought, well,

You know, he's at work, it's okay. And then I didn't hear from him. Then the next morning I tried to call and text him and he didn't respond. And I knew there had been a couple of times where when he had been depressed, he just turned his phone off and slept for like 24 hours, 48 hours. So I called his work and they said he had called in sick. So.

What happened was we had a party we were supposed to go to that night and I went without him because I didn't hear from him. And when I came home from that party that night, I had just had, I had driven by his house. I saw that his car was out front, but I just had a horrible feeling. And so I went into to go get ready for bed. And as I was starting to get ready for bed, I felt him.

and he said to me, he said, you sure are beautiful. And I just, my body like was giving out, like because I knew this was mediumship and I did not want it to be. And I started crying and made it to my bed and I laid down and I felt him lay behind me and he put his arm over me and he said, I wanted to be the one to tell you.

Michelle Clare (42:44.558)

And that was how I found out that he had taken his life.

Tania (42:49.309)

When you, you know, in all the podcasts, right, you speak about this experience, right? What is the part that hurts you the most when you try to relay this message? What do you feel right now?

Michelle Clare (43:00.782)

Yeah, I still feel immense loss, right? Just like anyone. It doesn't matter how you lose your loved ones, right? It always, to some degree, feels like a loss. And I would say that I, even as a medium, I don't have a way to bypass the grief. I have a bigger understanding. I understand that we had a soul agreement. I understand, you know, a lot. I really did a lot of deep diving after his transition.

but that human feeling of loss, that human feeling of the man that I thought I was gonna spend my life with not being here anymore, there's no way around that. And I also don't actually know anyone else who has had their loved one come through to be the one to tell them that they had transitioned.

Tania (43:48.349)

I'm so sorry about hearing that. Tell me.

Michelle Clare (43:49.806)

So I'm in, yeah, I'm, you know, I mean, there's part of me that finds that both, it fills my heart with love that he would let me know so I didn't have to worry. And it also breaks my heart at the same time, right? So this experience, this happened in August of 23, so it hasn't even been a year yet, but I think one of the biggest messages,

Tania (44:15.613)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (44:20.078)

from this and for other people who might have lost loved ones to suicide is that it doesn't matter how you transition. You are welcomed home into the light. You know, and he wasn't punished and sent to some hellish dimension as people would fear, right? He was still greeted with light and love and compassion because I've as a medium, I have never had anyone in spirit come through who's transitioned by suicide and say to me,

Yeah, I was in my right mind. I knew exactly what I was doing. They're not. They're not in their right head space because if they were, they wouldn't make that decision.

Tania (44:59.901)

So you're saying when, what does it mean by them not being in their right space? Is there something that we could have done? Could we have identified it?

Michelle Clare (45:08.845)

So with him, this is kind of one of the things that I've decided. I think it depends on different people, right? He did not tell his daughters. There were no warning signs. There were no notes. He was doing everything he could. No one knew that he was at this state. We knew he had a tough day, but we didn't know. So he really did not want to be stopped, right? And...

I think over the years, he was, you know, people wanted to treat his depression, but nobody ever really treated the trauma that caused the depression. And either that was him not being willing to treat the trauma or it was overlooked by, you know, the doctors or whoever. So this is what I would tell you. Number one, for anyone who's thinking of transitioning by suicide, it's a terrible decision because guess what?

you've still got to honor your soul agreements with the people that you made here. So now you're in the heavenly realm and you've got to find somebody who will help your daughter get through college or take care of your wife or whatever this is. And that's really hard to do from spirit world. It's easier to do it as human. So the contracts that you've made or these agreements with people still have to be fulfilled. Not only that, you didn't complete your lessons or your missions.

So you will have to come back and try that again. And it does not mean that you're not welcomed home with light and love and compassion, right? But I want you to think about it like this. It's like going to a college graduation, but you dropped out first. You still get to go to the graduation and the party, but you don't get the diploma because you didn't do the work.

Tania (46:48.669)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (46:57.213)

You know, this brings us to the first part, which is our pre -Soul agreement. Do you think anybody, is there any chance people would choose a depressed life or like end by transition by suicide? Is there anything like that that happens in Soul agreement?

Michelle Clare (47:15.566)

Yeah, so I will say this, I do believe that souls can choose lives with depression and anxiety and all of that. And I've actually asked Spirit and had this conversation like, is leaving by suicide someone's soul plan? And I'll tell you exactly what they said to me. They said to me, no, they said, it's an option available to all humans. Now, I don't want anyone to ever leave that way.

Tania (47:32.797)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (47:43.854)

But the truth is we all have that capability, right? So it's an option that's available in this dimension. However, saying that some people, and I've had a client say to me, you know, I had someone whose partner went in the house and took their life with a gun. And they said to me, no, I think their soul told them to do that. So I said to Spirit, is this truth? Did this person's soul and Spirit said to me, no.

Tania (47:47.933)

Hmm.

Tania (48:06.845)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (48:10.19)

Because if it was time for that soul to disconnect and it had to happen immediately there would have been a heart attack, a stroke, an aneurysm. I have many clients who come to me and they say my loved one passed unexpectedly, the autopsy was inconclusive. Our soul knows how to disengage from the body instantaneously without leaving the ripple effect trauma of suicide.

for everyone else around it. So that was kind of the direct information that I've received from Spirit as I've been on this quest to learn more.

Tania (48:43.229)

Wow. Do you speak to your husband, your partner now? Do you get to communicate?

Michelle Clare (48:47.47)

you know what? Yeah, I do. I do. And I will fill him around me and I will get messages from him. And, I do. And it's, you know, with all of the abilities that I have, it's still not enough. I mean, it's better. It's good, but I'm going to be really human right here. I'm still going to say it doesn't feel like enough.

Tania (49:09.501)

Were there any questions that you wanted to ask and you had needed clarifications and then he gave you some peace of mind that now you know the answer to it.

Michelle Clare (49:19.086)

You know, what I was able to feel was the deep, deep dark void that he was in when he made that decision. And I was actually able to feel that it was almost very robotic. It was like a mission. There were no emotions. It was just this empty void. And it did not feel good. I will tell you what I got to feel felt horrible.

but it gave me the understanding of what he was feeling when he made that choice.

Tania (49:56.093)

Hmm. From part of your job, from the mediumship that you do, what are some of the biggest misconceptions that people have about what you do?

Michelle Clare (50:04.462)

Yeah, so I think people think that I'm out there talking to evil and, and, you know, doing, doing things like that, that I, that I have a seance going and I'm like playing on my Ouija board or whatever, you know? that's probably like when people come at it from a fearful misconception, that's exactly what they're thinking. and that's not how it works. So I work with my angels. I work with the light. I work with the divine.

Tania (50:08.797)

Yeah, yeah. That's right.

Michelle Clare (50:30.222)

I literally will say before every reading that anything that comes in in this reading has to be enlightened love and for this person's highest good. so, so it's not that, but here's what I have found. We all have the ability to connect to spirit, to God, to our angels, to our life guides, whatever you want. This is not something that's just for me. We all have this ability, but society has trained us over.

Eons or whatever that we don't have this ability and someone knows better and we need to follow them But your connection to source and your loved ones is your soul and every human has a soul you are automatically wired and connected to them for eternity

Tania (51:00.157)

Hmm.

Tania (51:14.205)

I guess this is what, do you think this is what is called as the Holy Spirit?

Michelle Clare (51:18.318)

Yeah, absolutely. And I think these bonds are not broken or decreased because of time and space. It doesn't exist where there is love and where there's this quantum entanglement.

Tania (51:33.117)

Why is our connection dropping? Like how is it that you are able to have a better connection? I don't know if it's called better or anything, but how is it like, why do some people have a better connection compared to the other people? What is the difference?

Michelle Clare (51:48.238)

Right, so I like to think of it almost like math, right? We can all do basic math. We can add, we can subtract. I will never be a physicist. It's not gonna happen, but I can balance my bank account, right? So it's a skill and we all have it and we can all do it to a basic level, but then we can train it. We can take classes, we can meditate, we can do other things so that we can grow it and get better and better. It doesn't mean that we're all gonna be working as professional mediums.

but you absolutely are capable of getting your own guidance and direction.

Tania (52:22.429)

Does our food have anything to do with our connection with source? Like do you think if you eat meat or something, your connection with God cuts off or something?

Michelle Clare (52:32.27)

You know what? I love that question because let me just tell you, I have spiritual friends who are very well connected, who say you have to be vegan. And I have other ones that are on keto diet or carnivore and all they do is eat meat. And actually this is what I will tell you. I just eat the way that feels right for my body. So when I asked Spirit about that, I don't believe you have to be vegan or carnivore or any of this.

Tania (52:43.837)

Yep.

Michelle Clare (52:58.51)

This is about your channel. It works on its own frequency. So maybe some people do better with vegan or vegetarian. Some people need a little bit of meat. It is all okay because the animals that have come here, they know that they have come here to be dinner for someone if you choose to eat meat. Yes, it's not an accident.

Tania (53:19.485)

really? Okay.

Michelle Clare (53:22.862)

their soul didn't accidentally end up in a cow or a goat or a pig or whatever people are eating. Their soul knows I'm going to planet earth and I'm going to try it out at the farm or whatever and then I'm going to be food for someone. But their soul's okay with that because their soul knows it doesn't die. It's just going to go back into that heavenly realm until it decides to become something else. So there is an agreement. This is why

You know, when we bless our food or our drinks, no matter what we say, it really is a way of giving gratitude. Whether you're a vegan or a carnivore or somewhere in between, we're giving gratitude. We're saying, thank you. Thank you, plant, for choosing to come to earth. It doesn't have a consciousness the way an animal would, but it has a consciousness and science is proving this, right? So we're just giving gratitude.

Tania (54:13.245)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (54:15.758)

that we're able to nourish our bodies while we're here. And so no, I'm not gonna say you have to eat one way or the other. I'm gonna say you've gotta eat the way that works for your body and what works with your frequency in your channel.

Tania (54:29.341)

I love that answer. You know, one of the things that I felt that because I can't go all vegetarian, but I want to eat meat. And then I feel like, OK, I get guilty. I'm like, my God, I'm eating meat. I won't be able to connect with God. So this kind of thing keeps coming up because in the spiritual community, everybody raves about vegan or not eating food. So it was like this mental block that I was having.

Michelle Clare (54:48.814)

Right.

Tania (54:52.637)

When we choose, so you said that the animals already choose that they're gonna be dinner. Does it mean that they don't feel pain when they're getting slaughtered? No.

Michelle Clare (55:00.366)

Yeah, so I love that you asked that question. Let's talk about my three near -death experiences. Not in one of them did I feel the pain of what was happening to my body. Now, I came back and I had to work through the physical consequences of the situation, but the soul does not feel pain because it's not productive on a soul level. So a lot of times the souls disconnect with the body before it has whatever...

trauma or situation ends the body's life.

Tania (55:32.125)

You know, I had another person, Malcolm Nair, and one more person who came through and said that when they went through this death experience, so Malcolm went through a near -death experience, and then he said even he didn't feel any pain. And then Christy said that she was raped when she was five years old, and she said that time too she didn't feel the pain because her soul was just watching it from the top. And I feel like it gives a lot of relief because one of the things that, one of the reasons why I started the podcast is because I got so hurt.

and helpless, feeling the children in war dying. And I felt like I had to do something. Why is this happening? So I think it gives some relief to know that maybe they're not feeling the pain and maybe they picked it.

Michelle Clare (56:03.214)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (56:13.086)

Yeah, the okay. Well, that's a whole nother conversation. Yeah, I mean, we can dive into that a little bit, but here's what I will tell you. The soul doesn't need to feel pain from the body's ending because it's not productive on a soul level. It's like your soul has already completed its mission by that point in time. So that's not something that we will fill or carry with us. Now there are.

Tania (56:20.221)

Another thing. okay.

Michelle Clare (56:42.702)

we're gonna call mass consciousness. So when we have a situation where, and I wanna be very clear about this, I am not okay with violence in any way, shape or form, in a house, in a war, anywhere in between. That's not okay. Human Michelle doesn't think that's okay. My soul doesn't think that's okay. But I will say this. There are groups of souls that will incarnate knowing,

They are, and this is on the soul level, not the human level, okay? Their soul knows, I'm gonna incarnate into this situation, which will probably occur on planet Earth, maybe not etched in stone, but most likely. And I will choose to go through this because of either one, what the soul will learn and grow through during that time. And also a lot of times when we have mass tragedies,

Tania (57:33.693)

Mm -hmm.

Michelle Clare (57:40.974)

What happens is the whole world turns and looks, and now people get outraged and we say, this can't continue, this must end. And so when we think about a soul that knows that death is not real, that the soul's like, hey, I could leave my body and be back in five minutes, we're good, right? The soul is not looking at it from the human perspective. Souls will choose to come in to raise mass consciousness around situations with the hope that,

The other beings on planet Earth will turn around and say, no more, this is not okay.

Tania (58:16.381)

Why do people, why do the souls come to planet earth, specifically planet earth for theirs? How does it affect their spiritual, their soul growth?

Michelle Clare (58:25.838)

Right? So it is my understanding that planet Earth has the most contrast and all of the planets and dimensions that you could go to. So this is really like the advanced AP, advanced course in life. There's contrast all around us. I mean, just turn on the TV if you're not sure about that, right? There's contrast everywhere. You can see it even when I think about COVID. my gosh, you're wearing a mask. You're not, you're vaccinated. I'm not, I mean,

Tania (58:31.965)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (58:55.086)

Families got divided over that. So the contrast is everywhere on planet Earth. Our souls choose to come here because that is how we learn the fastest. It's like the advanced program because you can find contrast everywhere. It takes a certain level of consciousness to step out of the contrast and not pick a side, but to be an observer.

So for people who are always saying like, what can I do to make this world better? Michelle, I work at a restaurant. How am I going to change the world? Right? Yeah. I mean, people really want to know how can I contribute? How can I make this world better? I'm going to tell you how. You sit in silence. You send light and love and healing energy to this planet, to the animals on the planet, to the trees, to the ocean, to the people.

Tania (59:29.085)

Mm.

Michelle Clare (59:45.102)

Because when we anchor our light into this planet, we are literally raising the vibrational consciousness and it is making a difference. And you might say, I don't think it does, but I promise you it does.

Tania (59:53.469)

Mm.

Tania (59:59.837)

Yeah, that makes sense. We don't have to try to, you know, hold a slogan and big boards and try to tell them that you're a very spiritual person. It doesn't make sense. You know what? Mathias said that after the solar eclipse, he said that we are right now in Satya Yoga, which we are in a different phase and a different cycle. And in this cycle, you should don't even bother looking for love because all the...

all of the game has changed now and it's not about love anymore. It's about, I think he said it's about enlightenment or he just said it's not love. And I feel like a lot of the people around us, around me, they're getting divorced. I'm divorced myself and the women and the men, they don't want to get married or if they do get married, they don't want children. So do you think we, what do you think is the purpose of marriage and -

Michelle Clare (01:00:35.822)

Mm -hmm.

Tania (01:00:53.533)

Did that purpose change? Is our purpose different right now on the planet compared to what it was before?

Michelle Clare (01:00:59.822)

Yeah. So, so there's a couple of things about marriage. Number one, I am for it. If you can find a life partner, that's awesome. Do it. But here's the thing. We don't need the stereotypical husband and wife. We don't need roles. We don't need division. We don't need women against men, men against women.

You know, that's part of the contrast that is no longer serving where we're going, which is why people are talking about, I have a life partner now. Well, that's beautiful. You don't need a husband or a wife. You need a life partner. And hopefully your husband or your wife is your life partner too, right? So, I mean, that's how it's meant to be, right? And, but I would also say this because of the way our souls came to planet earth to evolve.

Tania (01:01:37.613)

Yeah.

Michelle Clare (01:01:48.078)

There are people that really were meant to be our partner for a certain period of time or our spouse for a certain piece of time, but it doesn't mean they were meant to be there for the whole 60 years or 80 years or however long you're together. Marriage is a very human concept. Spirit world is basically like we all love each other, you know, and so we don't have to also I don't believe when I say soul agreements, I do not believe we're in heaven signing papers. It's like a

Tania (01:02:16.829)

No? Okay.

Michelle Clare (01:02:17.518)

I agree to be here for you, right? Yeah. So here's what I think. I do think, I do not think love is done happening. I would just say this. I think right now the focus is on loving yourself and being the brightest light you can be no matter who you are in this world. But this is why that's important. Yes, this is our next step, but that's important because we want to attract the vibrational frequency match.

Tania (01:02:33.725)

Hmm.

Michelle Clare (01:02:45.358)

for the next version of the brightest light that we are. So if you're finding a partner right now and you're not really this best brightest version of yourself, you're already gonna be a little bit off in frequency and as you continue to grow, there will be a distance that comes between you. So I don't think love is off the books at all. I do believe though this is a time where the universe is saying, heal yourself, make your light as bright as you can and then be amazed at what comes next.

Tania (01:03:14.585)

my God, I love that answer because the other one was a little depressing, you know, but this one is beautiful.

Michelle Clare (01:03:18.99)

Yeah. Well, thank you. But I wouldn't say it if it didn't come through is the truth. And that's what I think because humans, our souls, we came here to love, right? And this is one thing that I'm always finding out. The lesson is always love. No matter how hard the challenge is, no matter how devastating or angry you might feel, the lesson is always love. But we are in a period in time.

where if we don't learn how to love ourselves, we're not gonna know how to love other people too. And we see that happening everywhere. So turn that light within, fan your own flame, and then you're gonna bring in the right partner.

Tania (01:04:00.445)

The last question, Michelle, you said that when you saw all of these experiences, your eyes, your mind opened to what exactly was salvation or escaping the matrix or freedom. You said it was not getting a nanny or a cook or doing the laundry. It was something else. What is that?

Michelle Clare (01:04:20.526)

What did I become aware of? I'm sorry, you froze.

Tania (01:04:23.613)

Yeah, so you said that once you got all of these experiences, you realized that salvation or escaping the matrix or freedom does not mean getting someone to do your chores. It meant something else. Because I'm at that stage where I think it means you've got to delegate tasks. If it's not, what does it actually mean?

Michelle Clare (01:04:42.446)

Right. Yeah, I mean, really what we're looking for is love, love of ourself, love of others, and really that connection with the divine, right? So let's go into really quickly just that idea of a lot of people don't feel lovable. They feel unworthy religion or family or someone has told them they're not good. They're not doing it right.

And that is in direct opposition to what God's source, the divine is saying. God's source, the divine is saying, I love you and you are perfect exactly as you are. So as we learn to really embrace ourselves, we learn to take that next step in how to embrace humanity and how to raise the vibration here. And I would like a cook too, by the way, to go with that.

Tania (01:05:26.813)

Yeah, me too, me too. Beautiful. Do you have any final advice for us, Michelle, for the people here? Yeah, the ones in Middle East who are, I think, more religious than spiritual.

Michelle Clare (01:05:42.286)

Yeah, I would love to say this. Just in your mind, create a space for possibilities so that we don't have to negate it because it goes against your belief system, right? I want you to think about it like a marble and a glass, and we're just going to kind of roll it around and look at it. So it might not align with what you've been told or what you've believed for the last 60 years, but let's just create a space where maybe it's

possible and we can kind of play with that idea. And as you give it more room and more space, what you're going to find is your perception is what directs the course of your life. And if you are choosing to live your life from a place of ideas that were imposed on you or that you just grew up believing and never questioned, you're actually really limiting your ability as a soul.

Tania (01:06:39.741)

Beautiful. Where can we find you and the work that you do, Michelle?

Michelle Clare (01:06:45.838)

You can find me on my website michelleclair, C -L -A -R -E dot net. And at that point in time, you can book a session there. You can do an online reading with me. I have some future events coming up if you're in the Phoenix area. So I would love to connect with everyone.

Tania (01:07:05.085)

Beautiful. Thank you so much, Michelle, for joining us on this podcast today and for sharing your love and light with us. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Michelle Clare (01:07:11.982)

Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's truly been a pleasure.

Tania (01:07:16.829)

Thank you.