#17 MOM leaves CHILD in HEAVEN: Heartbreaking Farewell! 💔 @Lornabyrneangels

Tkk (00:06.158)

Hello everyone. Good evening and welcome to the Celeste Evolved podcast. Today we have Lorna Byrne on our podcast. So I'm really excited for Lorna to join us anytime soon. What makes Lorna special is that she has always been able to see and hear angels and speak to God. And it's something that for someone from their background, it was considered obviously crazy, right? So they had...

deemed her retarded and she had a, she was supposed to keep all of this a secret. The fact that she could see and hear them. But now around 15 years back, it was, God told her that it's time to tell the world what it is and about the truth. And today we have Lorna sharing and speaking her truth with all of us. And it's amazing because Lorna is, she's got,

multiple books that she's published, which has become best sellers. So it's a massive opportunity for all of us to ask her questions and hear her stories. So feel free to drop in your questions in the chat.

Tkk (01:21.134)

And this is the first time I'm doing live as well. So feel free to drop in your questions in the chat and let's get started, okay? Am I panting? Okay, cool, let's get started.

Lorna (01:46.236)

So how do I make this bigger? you can hear me. that's grand. Good, I'm glad. I'm glad I wasn't sure. Lovely to meet you.

Tkk (01:47.374)

Hi Lorna! I can't hear you, I can't hear you.

Tkk (02:00.59)

lovely to meet you too. Thank you so much, Lorna, for joining us today. And I'm just so excited. You know, there's always guests who sometimes I get freaked out. But I feel like you have this very calm persona that I feel like I'm actually speaking to an angel. So I'm so excited for our conversation today.

Lorna (02:16.564)

Thank you.

So am I. So I'm looking forward to all the questions you will ask and whatever happens.

Tkk (02:26.542)

Thank you. Before we begin, I'm just going to give you a little bit. So we're using something called the reverse side. So in reverse side, even if you do see a lag in the video, don't worry about it because it's going to keep uploading it into the cloud. So our audio and video would be uploaded without any problem. You just have to follow my voice. So that should be fine. And then you can see what percentage is uploaded on the right side as well, on your right.

Then,

Lorna (02:56.668)

So, well, you want me to do something because I'm dyslexic. I can't follow something on the right or anything.

Tkk (03:02.19)

No, you don't have to do anything. Okay. No worries, you don't have to do anything. Once it's done, just stay back so that we'll keep getting recorded or uploaded. So the whole thing has to go up in the cloud. I mean, it just has to get saved somewhere. So it takes a little bit of time. I think for yours, it might take a little bit more time to get uploaded. So it's fine. After we're done, you can just leave it and just relax. So yeah, I'm doing this.

Lorna (03:13.084)

Okay.

Lorna (03:19.356)

Yeah.

Tkk (03:31.726)

YouTube live thing for the first time on the site. I don't know how this is gonna go. So it's like, I mean, I don't know if anyone's gonna join or anything, but I'm just trying it out for the first time. Our conversation will just go live and then later on I will edit it out and all. So it's okay, don't worry about it. All the technical stuff. Awesome. So let's just get started then. By the way, I love your team. They are just amazing. You know,

Lorna (03:46.812)

Okay, okay, okay. That's grand.

Tkk (04:00.974)

They were so kind, I had so many questions and back and forth and they were just so kind and responding to me. So they were like amazing.

All right, so let me see. All righty. So everyone, welcome to the podcast. Today we are featuring Lorna Byrne, a spiritual teacher, bestselling author of multiple books and a philanthropist with a unique ability to see and hear God and the angels Lorna shares profound insights into our spiritual potential. So without any further ado.

Let's welcome Lorna to the podcast. Thank you so much Lorna for joining us today.

Lorna (04:43.132)

Well, thank you very much for inviting me, Tina. And I'm just looking forward to being in conversation with you and answering whatever questions you would love me to answer. And I know you're surrounded by the angels and there's plenty of angels here too.

Tkk (05:00.462)

That's so sweet. So one of my first question is when did you start seeing angels?

Lorna (05:07.612)

I always say from the moment I opened my eyes as an infant, I cannot recall never seeing angels. And you have to remember when I was an infant, I didn't know they were angels. To me, they were just part of my family. You know, part of the family, I didn't know any difference. And I was a late talker. So I was about maybe two and a half when I started to talk, you know.

call my mom and things like that. But I was already in conversation with the angels as well. You know, I often say it's a two -way system or a three -way or a five -way. I hear them as clearly as I would hear your voice. And for me, it's just normal and natural. And I suppose one time when I was quite young, I was playing with my

Tkk (05:55.702)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (06:07.26)

I call him my little brother, but he was actually older than me. And it was one day that, you know, we were sitting in front of the fire and playing with little wooden blocks my dad had made, you know, piling them one on top of the other. And it was when our hands touched, it was like as if my hand went into his or his hand went into mine and it just sparkles, just sparks everywhere.

Tkk (06:27.598)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (06:36.782)

wow.

Lorna (06:36.828)

and I laughed, you know, I giggled, I was a tiny child and it was at that stage, you know, I was about maybe two, two and a half at that time and the angels had said to me, I had to keep it a secret, but they told me something else. My brother, who I was playing with, had died before I was born and they told me he was a soul.

Tkk (07:01.23)

Mmm.

Lorna (07:03.964)

And, you know, just as I got older and remembering different times, even before playing with them at that stage, sometimes when my mom would be asleep in the armchair at the fire, he would be a tiny infant in her arms while she was sleeping. And you have to remember.

Tkk (07:18.414)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (07:27.004)

I was a very young child so I didn't ask any questions but the angels always taught me not to ask questions and they were constantly reminding me to keep it a secret, to say nothing.

Tkk (07:42.094)

Mm -hmm. Ha.

Lorna (07:42.908)

And I'm so glad I did because I wouldn't be here talking to you today because I'm severely dyslexic in every way, you know, not just in reading and writing, but in every way. And way back then in the fifties, they considered you retarded if you weren't able to do those things. So I was branded as retarded.

Tkk (07:49.326)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (08:06.062)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (08:12.7)

and you know put in the back of the class. But I have to say, God sent me lovely teachers and that was the angels. They have taught me everything I know. And that's why I'm talking to you.

Tkk (08:26.094)

It must be magical, right, for a child to be surrounded by angels. Do they look like, even for a child, do they have the wings and all the colors?

Lorna (08:36.028)

What would I say? They don't always show their wings. To me that is very, very rare. You know, so at times even now today I kind of go, wow, the angel is showing its wings, you know. But angels wings aren't the way that they're described. You know, sometimes they are feathers, but they're not shaped like birds wings at all.

Tkk (08:44.942)

Lorna (09:02.524)

But I know in all drawings and paintings we do them because humanly that's the only way man knows how. But sometimes they're like what sometimes I call like a silk or a satin, you know, and they're moving ever so gently. And of course the colors are beautiful. But you've got to remember one thing. This is normal for me. So I don't go, wow, or you know, because it's normal. Like when you...

Tkk (09:26.222)

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Lorna (09:31.708)

When you're with your family and you see your family, do you go, wow? You know, or when you're out in town, you don't, because it's normal. So for me, it's normal. I know nothing else.

Tkk (09:37.422)

No.

Tkk (09:47.118)

So then if you know like I have a daughter who is five years old for her angels are magical angels unicorns so when you were a child then what were the things that you found magical since your world already looks magical?

Lorna (10:03.516)

I suppose I never even knew the word magical. You know, so stories were never read to me or anything like that. And that's the first time someone has ever put a question in the way you have put it. So no, the angels wouldn't have even said to me, you know, or shown me, you know, a storybook or, you know, that I might be passing a shop and, you know, it had a picture of a unicorn.

Tkk (10:07.566)

Lorna (10:33.276)

So that never happened. And it's only as an adult I would think about, well, it is kind of magical, but it's normal. Do you think it's magical? Again, I'd have to go back. Do you think it's magical when you see your daughter? You know, in that way. And it's beautiful that she's aware of her guardian angel, you know, and of the angels. And hopefully she will.

Tkk (10:43.374)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (10:49.038)

Hmm, it's normal, yeah.

Lorna (11:01.66)

she will keep that. So she will, as she grows, here's the guidance of her guardian angel in whatever way that is for her. And they guide us in so many different ways. Adults are always looking for signs, proof, proof. Where I don't look for proof, I suppose I have a 24 -7. But I always say when you...

Tkk (11:07.502)

Mm -hmm. Hmm.

Tkk (11:19.758)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lorna (11:31.196)

When a lot of the time, I suppose, adults have to remember is, you know, a very young child sees angels and it's normal or natural for them. They don't look for proof. They don't need it. It's just that as they start to grow and go to school, it's like it's taken away from them because humanly they're taught that

Tkk (11:49.056)

Hmm.

Lorna (12:01.244)

If something is not solid, it's not real. And if there's no proof, it's not real. You know, but there's so many things in the world that, you know, you might say are impossible, but they have become possible. I suppose long ago they thought for, you know, to fly across the sky in a plane in a tin box, that that was impossible. No way. But it happens today.

Tkk (12:08.462)

Yeah.

Lorna (12:30.78)

And I think just people are becoming just more aware of the guardian angel, more aware of God, you know, your soul, that spark of light on your soul. And, you know, your guardian angel is the gatekeeper of your soul. So never leaves you for one second, no matter what you're doing. And I love that because, you know, your guardian angel never looks down on you.

Tkk (12:57.998)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (12:58.108)

never criticizes you, never in a sense humanly we might say, my guardian angel must be disappointed in me, but your guardian angel is never disappointed in you. It loves you unconditionally and to me that is something you know incredible for us to realize that even if we feel other human beings don't love us or care for us or understand us.

Your guardian angel is right there and it never leaves you for one second and it's the gatekeeper of your soul but it loves you unconditionally. It's a gift from God so why would you throw away a gift from God?

Tkk (13:41.614)

How many different kinds of angels are there?

Lorna (13:47.036)

When you ask that question of many different types, I'd have to say I don't know because there's so many angels. You know, I'd have to be very truthful and honest with you. You know, there's the Rosemantic angels that I often see with men and women. There's teacher angels I often see with students and even with adults that might think they have nothing to learn.

Tkk (13:51.63)

Right.

Tkk (13:55.438)

Okay.

Lorna (14:16.316)

which I love, you know, in that way. It's like even, you know, I would often see angels, how would you say, say maybe when someone is training and they're finding it difficult, you know, maybe they're running or they're cycling, they're getting ready for some big competition. And I would often see sometimes an angel with a, how could I call it? Humanly, maybe I could call it like a lasso.

Tkk (14:16.462)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (14:46.588)

You know, you could say a rope around them, you know, go on, come on, don't give up. Keep, keep, keep it up. Keep trying. You can, you can do this, you know, and then there's the archangels and of course the unemployed angels, you know, when I saw them as a very young child, when God showed them to me, the only way I can describe is, and it's still happening today. So it's like,

Tkk (14:47.098)

Okay.

Tkk (15:12.782)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (15:14.78)

God turns over this bucket. I was saying bucketfuls, you know, turns it over and these angels, unemployed angels come rolling out literally as if they're rolling, you know, in a ball. And it's like, just as they get to the earth, they straighten up and that's beautiful to see. You know, they straighten up. And as a child, I call them the unemployed angels.

Tkk (15:27.086)

Okay.

Lorna (15:43.772)

because my dad was unemployed. We were extremely poor, you know. We even became homeless at different stages, you know, lived with my aunt, you know, all that kind of thing. And I just named them the Unemployed Angels and it has stuck to them because when I said yes to God and started to do what I'm doing,

Tkk (15:47.95)

Hmm.

Lorna (16:12.764)

How would I say, the unemployed angels have been sent all over the world and not just to people who believe in angels, but everyone. You know, I always say you shouldn't say to yourself that person doesn't deserve an unemployed angel or that person is not from your tradition or your religion. You send unemployed angels everywhere and to everyone.

Tkk (16:18.286)

Mm.

Tkk (16:25.934)

Hmm.

Tkk (16:33.23)

Mm.

Yeah.

Lorna (16:43.196)

That's one thing I love about God and the angels. They don't push, what word would you call this? You don't discriminate. God doesn't do that. God loves us all, you know, and it doesn't matter.

Tkk (16:54.446)

Yeah.

Tkk (16:59.534)

I love this unemployed angels term that I, when I first heard it on the Alex Ferraris podcast too, it's like you said, you could send unemployed angels to someone in need. And that just felt like, you know, usually you would think that there's only a finite number of people who could come support you, but when you know that there's so many angels and you can send them across to whoever you want, you know, while listening to it,

I thought of someone who probably would need some help and I just prayed to the unemployed angels and I told them, can you please go and help this person out? And the moment I said that, I looked out and I was in Jumeirah, I was driving and I saw this boutique there. It was named Angel Secret. I saw that and I was like, what?

Lorna (17:46.652)

wow.

Tkk (17:52.206)

I took a selfie of myself as I'm like, look at that. It was just so beautiful. I was listening to it. I was listening to the podcast and I made this prayer and then I saw this. It was just so beautiful. Can you tell us when did you decide to come out of the closet? Because you say that the angels asked you to keep it a secret all the time, right? First of all, how did you know you were supposed to keep a secret? Because this is like a big secret for a child, right?

Lorna (18:19.484)

I suppose for myself it wasn't as big as everyone thinks it is in that sense because the angels have been teaching me everything. You know, they even would teach me how to go right and how to go left, how to walk straight, how to, you know,

Tkk (18:25.902)

Lorna (18:40.348)

Because in a sense, when you're a young child and you're considered retarded, you're kind of pushed to one side. No one talks, no one wants to teach you anything or help you with something. But they were doing that all of the time. They have been my teachers, my best friends. They're my family. And I suppose that's what we all have to remember. Angels are part of our family.

Tkk (18:45.582)

Mm.

Lorna (19:08.796)

if we allow it to be. And they taught me everything I know, but they constantly kept saying to me, you know, from the time I was so tiny to keep it a secret, say nothing. And as I said to you earlier on, I wouldn't be here talking to you. I would have been put into what they call an asylum or a home for the retarded. But I didn't say a word and...

Tkk (19:08.878)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (19:22.958)

Mm.

Tkk (19:33.742)

Yeah.

Lorna (19:38.492)

As time went on, I started to understand, you know, that if I did say anything and one thing the angels would say to me and sometimes God did too, was that, and I love the words, they know no better. Anytime somebody, you know, would pass comment or push me to one side, and even as an adult, that would have happened too.

Tkk (19:56.878)

Yeah.

Lorna (20:07.228)

And even today, even though I have written seven books and I've been on TV or I've been all across the world, you still get people who, because I'm severely dyslexic, that will still say, she's retarded. She doesn't know what she's talking about. But again, the angels would always remind me they know no better. And I love them anyway.

Tkk (20:34.03)

That is...

Lorna (20:35.388)

You know, it's always important to love. You know, not to judge or criticize or not to run down in any way. And it was the time when I was actually married. Like my children would have written their school notes and I would struggle to sign them. They would help me. You know, and they never said anything either.

Tkk (20:56.878)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (21:01.55)

the angels.

Tkk (21:05.39)

Hmm.

Lorna (21:05.82)

You know, and the amazing thing is that the teachers never questioned either. So there is a miracle. There is God at hand. There's the angels at hand because they must have recognized the child's handwriting. Like, how could you not, you know, in that in that way? But yeah, it was one time when I was married and I was, you know, walking home and I know I always tell the story, but.

Tkk (21:20.014)

Mm -hmm.

haha

Lorna (21:35.836)

I think it's very important and my daughter was asleep in the pram and I was heading up towards the little cottage and Archangel Michael called me, came up from behind me and I remember just being so annoyed. What was he doing here? Like I was a busy mom. I had to get home with a sleeping baby.

and everything like that. I had lots to do and I gave out to him. But you have to remember the angels have educated me in every way and I'm still learning as well. So I gave out to Archangel Michael. You know, I told him to go away, leave me alone, I'm busy. And he just said, I have a message from God for you. And I always remember, I know I have it in the book, but...

Tkk (22:07.63)

I'm sorry.

Tkk (22:15.95)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (22:30.716)

recalling, you know, stopping and your hands are on the bars of the pram, you know, and I turning and looking at him and being so annoyed. And when he had said, you know, God said, it's getting near time for you to rise. Looking at Archangel Michael at that time and just saying to him angrily, you know.

I can't even read or write. What does God expect me to do? Like, you know, it was. To me, as a human being, it was impossible. How could that happen? I couldn't even write my name. You know, what's God talking about? I was considering God crazy at that point in that way. But Archangel Michael just said, you know.

Tkk (23:10.198)

Yeah.

Tkk (23:19.79)

haha

Lorna (23:31.1)

help would be sent.

And even at that time, I never said yes. I was always saying no to God. But a day did come when I said yes. And that was after my husband, Joe, had died. I actually said, yes, OK. And I didn't know how God was going to do it all. But I always say this is all God's plan. And God has done it all right up to now. Not me.

I'm just the servant as such. That's the way I look on it. Hope that answers the question.

Tkk (24:08.014)

Why do you think God? It did, it absolutely did. Why do you think God came and told you? Because I heard that you decided this came about just 15 years ago, which is not that long ago, right? Because I think Bashar has been doing it for like 40 years or something. So do you think there's something special going on right now for God to say it's time?

Lorna (24:30.988)

I suppose, you know, I had been saying to God, no all my life, but I always knew at some stage I'd have to say yes. And I always trusted that when that time came, it would be the right time for God as well. You know, and the thing is, you know, everything that has happened, even the sanctuary, God had already shown me that from the time I was a child.

Tkk (24:38.382)

Mm.

Lorna (25:00.316)

on different occasions. So I suppose I was always giving out to God because I and even what God has shown me that's to that is in the future. I know I can't tell mankind everything, you know, and I just say to myself, you know, how can all that happen? Because it seems so impossible in that way. But, you know, everything is possible.

And I guess it's, you know, the world has to respond, you know, we're all the time. Some of God's words that he has said to me and proven to me over and over again, and that is many are called, few are chosen, and very few of those few that are chosen say yes. And God has proven those words to me.

Tkk (25:34.83)

Mm.

Lorna (25:56.604)

At different stages in my life, even when we were extremely poor and had no food on the table. Sometimes when someone could have bought us a loaf of bread, never did. You know, and even as all the years passed and again, someone, a couple from America said yes, and they bought the sanctuary. And they gave it. And it's for the world, like...

Tkk (26:09.966)

Yeah.

Tkk (26:21.646)

Hmm. Well...

Lorna (26:26.492)

And I know we still need many others to give and expect nothing in return because their words again, God has always taught me, give with a pure heart and expect nothing in return. And I suppose that's the way God and the angels have brought me up. I will give with a pure heart and expect nothing in return, not even a thank you.

Tkk (26:53.006)

Hmm.

Lorna (26:53.66)

You know, nothing, nothing whatsoever. And some people in the world have have responded, but we need plenty more to respond because we do so much at the sanctuary. You know, we do extreme cases. I know we do workshops, but. I love one thing that God has said, you know that I'm allowed to say now and.

I'm not quite sure whether it's one person or whether it is umpteen people that come together that have so much that they give. And that means, which is incredible, we can reach everyone and everyone can come for free. You know what I mean? Because, you know, and you know, even when you're doing a workshop and

Tkk (27:43.214)

Yeah.

Lorna (27:49.884)

God tells me everything of those at the workshop. Of course, I don't tell them. I know everything, you know, because you don't do that. But when God points out to me, there's four people here that need more help than the rest of them and tells me what it is. But I still don't go up to them and tell them I know what it is. You know, what's wrong. It's like...

Tkk (27:53.87)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (28:07.854)

Mm.

Tkk (28:16.814)

Okay.

Lorna (28:21.02)

God works that love and that peace and everyone does say the place is like just love. And it's like everyone opens their soul because they know they're safe. And then it means you can help those that need a little bit more help than maybe someone else in a different way. Just miracles happen all the time and different for everyone.

You know, I don't know how to explain this. Just people do say like they don't want to leave when they come. They don't want to have to go back to the world. Because they feel so much peace and love, but I tell them you have to bring that peace and love with you too. And sometimes when someone comes back a second or third time, they tell me it's very hard.

Tkk (29:02.638)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Lorna (29:19.964)

to give that peace and love to the world and not to judge others. But we have to love each other. It doesn't matter who you are or what you've done. I would often say to everyone, if I was to bring every human being to the top of the highest mountain and one person got left behind or rolled back down a bit or whatever,

And that was considered, that person was considered to be the worst person in the world. I love them by the way. I have to go back down for them. You know, love overcomes everything.

Tkk (29:58.638)

This is...

Tkk (30:05.166)

Lorna, do you think you were an angel? And this is like your first incarnation on the planet?

Lorna (30:11.388)

that I'm an angel, I will deny that completely. No. No.

Tkk (30:15.278)

No. You know, I heard someone else say that because this is the time when something is going to happen, the energies are changing on the planet. So they send a lot of angels and the angels are really high energy. So they won't be able to. So when they incarnate in the human body, they would damage the vessel or something would happen and then they would be dyslexic. So.

You know, I feel like maybe you were an angel or actually what is an angel? Can they take human form?

Lorna (30:49.5)

An angel, how can I say, when I was asked that question first, you know, I was kind of embarrassed a bit because not for myself or whoever was asking the question, but for the angels themselves. And I said, do I tell them? And they said, yes.

Tkk (31:12.238)

Hmm.

Lorna (31:13.82)

Angels are creatures created by God well before anything else was.

Tkk (31:20.366)

Mmm.

Lorna (31:21.18)

That's their creatures. You and I, every human being out there is more by billions and billions and billions of times than any angel ever could be. Why do you think they love being in and around you? Why do you think your Virgin angel never leaves you for one second?

Tkk (31:43.566)

Wow.

How could we be more than them? But we don't know anything like they do.

Lorna (31:47.364)

You have, you're a human being, but you're a spiritual being. There's two of you in that sense too. And...

Tkk (31:57.998)

Yeah.

Lorna (32:01.02)

I don't know when God fell in love with us, whether we were, you know, a tiny speck or whatever, you know, why he fell in love with us, what he saw or what he hoped for. But he gave, God gave it a tiny, a tiny little speck, so tiny of himself. And that's what our soul is, that tiny speck of light.

Tkk (32:08.526)

Mm.

Lorna (32:29.244)

That's so tiny, but just fills every part of you and is out there. Why do you think angels love to be around us?

Tkk (32:34.606)

Mm.

Tkk (32:39.534)

because of the tiny speck in us.

Lorna (32:39.58)

Think about us.

Yes, because of that tiny little speck of light that is God. It's in each and every one of us.

Tkk (32:48.566)

That's so beautiful.

Lorna (32:52.22)

And that's why I'm, what would you say, I just can't wait for that intertwining of the human being and the soul. It's like a plait, God has shown me, like a plait, that intertwining. And I do believe it's already started to happen.

Tkk (33:05.134)

Hmm.

Tkk (33:15.118)

Hmm.

Lorna (33:16.412)

And yes, there is a lot of changes in the world, but in every way. But humanly, we have the choice. We have that free will. It's like every day, every choice you make, you know, think about it before you make it first. You know, it's like not giving a little plant a drop of water.

Tkk (33:33.038)

Mm.

Tkk (33:37.838)

Hmm.

Lorna (33:44.668)

and letting it die or being nasty and archy to someone or being, you know, greedy in any way. We've got to show more love and more kindness. It's like, you know, sometimes we step on an insect to kill it, but we have forgotten how much nature is helping us.

Tkk (34:05.23)

Mm.

Lorna (34:12.028)

Like everything that's around you and everything that's around me and everything we wear. Where do you think it comes from?

Tkk (34:21.806)

from God. Nature, right?

Lorna (34:22.236)

nature. It comes from nature and God has given us nature. He's given us this beautiful gift of this incredible planet and sometimes we mistreat something when we get it for nothing. We were given it for free and we were given that spark of light of God for free as well.

Tkk (34:34.382)

Yeah.

Tkk (34:40.558)

Hmm.

Tkk (34:47.094)

Hmm. Hmm.

Lorna (34:50.108)

and a guardian angel and any other angels.

Tkk (34:55.086)

You know, my cousin sister had sent me this paragraph. I don't know if it's true or not, but there is the gospel of the Essenes. And in the gospel of the Essenes, they were saying that Jesus, the prayer that Jesus said, there is the Our Father who art in heaven. And there was also an Our Mother, the earthly mother, where we are praying to our mother, our earth. And if we had prayed to both...

If we had done the Our Father, where we pray to God, and if we had treated our Mother Earth as well, the way we treated our God, we would have all taken such better care of the planet and not destroyed it or taken it for granted the way we do right now.

Lorna (35:36.348)

Yeah, and we're paying for that now. And the thing is, you know, the innocent are paying for it more. Those that have less are paying for it more. And that shouldn't be the case at all. You know, there is no need for hunger or thirst or, you know, someone to be cold. You know, God has shown me that we will and we can do it.

Tkk (35:44.174)

Mm.

Mm.

Lorna (36:05.98)

He's shown me the world in the future where it becomes like a little glimpse of heaven. So I know we can do it, but we have to make that choice.

Tkk (36:23.182)

Mm.

Lorna (36:24.38)

you know, it's like, it can be the simplest of choices. It can be maybe you're walking down the street and you're passing someone that's very poor. Or you think maybe they're, you look at them at first glance and you think, they have plenty, but yet you're being told to hand them something and keep walking.

Tkk (36:37.166)

Hmm.

Lorna (36:51.644)

So you're not judging. Sometimes appearances, one thing I'm always reminded, never, what way can I put it in English? Never judge the book by the cover.

Tkk (37:05.966)

Hmm.

Lorna (37:07.644)

in that way, and sometimes we do, because when we were so poor that...

the clothes I'd wash by hand, the children's clothes, and I'd make sure that every time they put a top on, it looked brand new, but it wasn't. So, you know, and that was because I didn't want my children to be looked down on too much in that way. I wanted to give them the best chance possible. But in Ireland at that time, you know,

Tkk (37:30.99)

Hmm.

Lorna (37:49.18)

Even growing up and when I got married, Ireland wasn't as it is today.

Tkk (37:57.678)

Hmm.

Lorna (37:58.876)

you know, in that way. So it's kind of, you know, never judge a boot by its cover.

Tkk (38:06.858)

You know Lorna, if God could come and help each and every one of us, be present to every one of us, why isn't God doing it? Why is he sending the angels?

Lorna (38:21.084)

I love the way God is using his angels. That's the way I put it. God is using his angels. It's not about the angels. It's about God and it's about your soul. It's about you. So I always have to smile when that question is asked. You know, if God had done it in another way, would anyone have listened?

Tkk (38:31.054)

Mm.

Tkk (38:39.95)

Ha ha ha.

Lorna (38:48.86)

I've been told no. It's like if Jesus came back or an incredible prophet came back into the world, how do you think the world would react to them?

Tkk (38:50.574)

Is it?

Tkk (38:59.79)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (39:06.204)

And I would say, how would you think the powers to be in the world would react to them?

Lorna (39:14.3)

they would react to them in the way that, you know, they're a terrorist, they're a threat. Let's get rid of them in that way. Yeah. You know, so the hope, you know, God and the angels are asking us to put hope out into the world, to keep the light of hope burning in ourselves. Like I love the angel of hope, you know, and, you know, the angel of hope has lots of help.

Tkk (39:18.702)

Mm, yeah.

Tkk (39:23.182)

which we have seen already.

Tkk (39:37.326)

Hmm.

Lorna (39:44.508)

as well to help us all. But I love when I see the Angel of Hope and I've often described him and it gives a male appearance, not a female appearance. And I love the way he's covered from head to toe, you know, like a whole cape over. But he carries this enormous torch and it's burning bright. And the nearest description I can give.

Tkk (39:55.726)

Hmm.

Tkk (40:08.046)

Okay.

Lorna (40:15.164)

but it's really billions of times more would be like the Olympic torch, you know, the flame. But this torch, this angel carries and holds is just so bright. And the angel is enormous because sometimes I would see him up in the clouds, you know, but the rest from coming down to earth, you know, above the buildings in that way. But then I've seen the angel of hope.

Tkk (40:20.526)

Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.

Lorna (40:45.724)

come in proportion to a human being. And I have often seen him beckoning. And it's just the way he turns with the torch. And he would be walking ahead of you, but he would turn in a way with this enormous torch beckoning. And I have seen him do that, beckoning someone not to give up to see the light of hope.

Tkk (40:48.558)

Mm.

Tkk (41:07.342)

Hmm.

Lorna (41:12.476)

And I love the way other angels and even the unemployed angels at times hold a light of hope in front of a person to help them to believe in themselves or not to be so anxious. You know, so but we ourselves as human beings have to keep that light of hope burning. And we have to, in a sense, humanly.

because we're human as well and we have this spiritual soul, we have to be that light of hope for others too. Because sometimes someone can't see the light of hope, but sometimes they see the light of hope in someone else. And that gives them courage. That's the beginning.

Tkk (41:40.078)

Mm.

Tkk (41:56.494)

Hmm.

Tkk (42:01.262)

That's true. You know, you said that when you were a child, you have been taught by the angels all your life. So I was just wondering, you know, right now we've got all of these different curriculums and then we've got a lot of the parents trying to find out which curriculum to pick. Is it the IB, the British, all of that? And I'm wondering if we were not taking any of this and doing the homeschooling or being led by the angels to lead a good life. What?

Would they be teaching? What does the curriculum look like? What do they teach you as a child?

Lorna (42:35.036)

And they taught me everything out in nature, literally everything out in nature. They taught me, you know, how precious life was. They taught me how, in a sense, you know, as I take a step on the grass, what life is under my foot. They taught me how to see and not look, you know, and I see so much.

Tkk (42:39.022)

Hmm.

Tkk (42:46.574)

Hmm.

Tkk (42:54.734)

Tkk (43:02.414)

Hmm.

Lorna (43:03.1)

It's hard to explain now on like, but it's like, you know, I see the energy coming from the plants or the flowers or even a bird flying across the sky. Sometimes I might just kind of turn my head and look and I'd see the stream of light, you know, coming from the bird as it flies forward. You know, and to me, they're normal. That's that's normal. Like, so they have just.

Tkk (43:26.99)

Hmm.

Lorna (43:31.932)

They've literally taught me everything I know and I'm still learning. So if a teacher comes to you and tells you they know everything, that's untrue. You must be as well truthful. You shouldn't be afraid to say, I don't have the answer, I don't know. This is the only little bit I understand of it because one of the things God and the angels have taught me, one big word,

Tkk (43:40.782)

Hmm, that's untrue.

Lorna (43:59.996)

And I'm saying this in my head so I can say it.

Tkk (44:03.182)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (44:05.596)

that everything is beyond our comprehension, everything. And it's have been told that when you ask a question, there's still a million answers to that question and then another million questions to that question on and on. So it's like as if we were learning how, you know, this glass has water in it, but there's so much more.

Tkk (44:16.654)

Hmm.

Tkk (44:24.686)

Hmm.

Lorna (44:36.124)

than what can even be seen or understood of that water and even of the glass and what the glass is made of and what life force has put it all together.

Tkk (44:36.27)

Hmm.

Tkk (44:48.91)

Hmm.

Lorna (44:50.588)

You know, so I could go on and on. And it's it's lovely when you have people that. Like, I'm just so amazed the people that come from all walks of life over for workshops, and most of them come for the five day workshops. And you can have, you know, lecturers. And teachers of all kinds of all kinds and.

Tkk (45:03.182)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (45:13.838)

Hmm.

Lorna (45:19.644)

psychiatrists, doctors, judges, a housewife, a mama, dad, shopkeeper, you know, so far haven't got a street sweeper, but maybe one day they can come and not have to worry. But people from all kinds, all walks of life, people that, you know, nurses, doctors,

Tkk (45:29.294)

This is.

Tkk (45:34.942)

Yeah.

Lorna (45:48.124)

office workers, like yourself even, you know.

Tkk (45:51.886)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (45:55.58)

They're coming to learn.

Tkk (45:58.254)

Yeah.

Lorna (45:59.42)

You know, to me that's, I always thought anyone that went to university or college and everything must be full of great knowledge and wisdom because of so much. And yet they're coming and asking me questions and learning. And the last time I asked them.

Tkk (46:15.374)

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Lorna (46:25.82)

and what are you going to do with this? And they said, well, I'm bringing it back to my university. I'm bringing it back to the school. I'm bringing it back into the workplace. And many a time I would say, but did you not know that? And they'd look at me and no, we didn't know that.

Tkk (46:44.174)

You didn't know that. Nope.

Lorna (46:46.428)

You know, so we have so much to learn in knowledge and wisdom and to understand each other and to be able to touch each other. You know, I always say if you can't communicate with another human being, how can you communicate with God or your soul or your guardian angel? And depending on what culture you're from, your guardian angel could be called a different name.

Tkk (47:16.174)

Hmm, right. But everybody has one, right?

Lorna (47:20.924)

everyone, I have traveled to so many places across the world and I have never seen one human being without a guardian angel.

Tkk (47:31.63)

So.

Lorna (47:32.764)

So it doesn't matter what you believe in, or whether you're good or bad, you have a guardian angel. So you have a soul.

Tkk (47:35.79)

Everybody does. even the serial killers, yeah?

Lorna (47:42.492)

Yes, everyone. And remember, they have a soul too. It's the human part of us that does the wrong.

Tkk (47:45.198)

Hmm, interesting.

Tkk (47:54.222)

Hmm. Yeah, we do it out of fear or, you know, self -defense or whatever. Have you ever come to Dubai or the Middle East?

Lorna (47:58.236)

Yeah.

Lorna (48:04.732)

No, I have never been invited to Dubai at all.

Tkk (48:10.99)

Why do you think people over here are not that spiritual? I mean, are they spiritual? I don't know.

Lorna (48:16.348)

I don't think that they're not spiritual. I think it's just, you know, just the culture, you know, it's kind of doors are closed, but maybe those doors are going to start to open with yourself, you know. And I do love where, you know, I've had many imams, I've had meetings with imams of

Tkk (48:34.094)

Hmm.

Lorna (48:44.412)

from all around and the questions they ask, you know.

Tkk (48:44.558)

Lorna (48:51.58)

So I have people of all religions that come.

Tkk (48:56.078)

What do the Imams ask? It must be haram for them to speak to you, right?

Lorna (49:01.244)

No, it's not. It's not wrong. No, no, no, I am. Well, I suppose I can't actually say publicly what they would ask, but they would ask very religious questions, very spiritual questions. And sometimes something that they don't understand quite clearly themselves.

Tkk (49:03.598)

No? Okay, so what did they ask then?

Tkk (49:12.206)

Hmm.

Tkk (49:26.862)

Hmm. So if they quote from the Quran or the Bible.

Lorna (49:28.188)

You know, I have given talks in synagogues as well. So.

Tkk (49:33.39)

If they, if.

Tkk (49:38.414)

Hmm.

Lorna (49:40.38)

You know,

like and a lot of...

those that would come to the talks there of all faiths and none. And some of none, they would say, I used to be Muslim, I used to be Jewish, I used to be Catholic, I used to be Presbyterian, I used to be, or so many others. I never knew there were so many religions in the world. You know, yeah.

Tkk (49:53.55)

And none.

Tkk (50:02.862)

Now.

Tkk (50:07.086)

Yeah, I didn't understand the last one. The precipitarian sounds like vegetarian.

Lorna (50:12.348)

Yes, you know, like, and they would say they because of the wrong or the injustice that they feel that the religion is doing that that faith is doing, they have stepped to one side. But you know, what is the amazing thing? They don't believe they don't lose their faith or belief in God. They still have it. And that's all that matters.

Tkk (50:25.902)

Mm.

Tkk (50:37.166)

Mm.

Tkk (50:41.838)

Yeah, that's true.

Lorna (50:43.676)

Yeah, though.

Tkk (50:45.134)

You know, I, for me too, I was, I grew up Catholic. Then I went through a divorce and then I got really angry with God. And I said, I don't want to speak to God again. I don't believe you exist and all of that. You know, I broke up with everybody. And then after four years, I'm like, I kind of wanted to prove to people that God doesn't exist. And I was into law of manifestation and physics and, you know, all of those kind of things. And then I started.

getting more and more deeper into God. So now the people are like, okay, just chill. Why are you getting so, you know, why so much about God now? Why so much about the angels now? So the faith never goes.

Lorna (51:28.284)

Well, I love what you're saying there. That is very, very beautiful. And again, by so many different leaders of all the religions, they would ask me the one question, and I always remember being so shocked by it.

And that's imams the whole lot. All of them, they'd ask me the one question, is God real? They're asking me, is God real? God is real. God exists. And in time, that intertwining will happen and we'll know. But I always, when I was asked that question by a bishop and...

Tkk (51:50.926)

Mm.

Tkk (52:09.39)

Mm.

Lorna (52:17.02)

one of very high up imams. I remember being so shocked because they study the Quran and the Bible and every spiritual, anything to do with God and they're asking me is God real? Surely they know God is real.

Tkk (52:40.046)

You know, we come, we talk about God because we know there's something that exists and then we read all of the books. But it would have been nicer to maybe hear God or see God. And because I can't do any of those. Can you describe God to us?

Lorna (52:57.084)

Well, I suppose one part of your question, you do hear God and you do see God and you hear God through kindness or maybe in your own mind or in your own intuitiveness where you suddenly feel love or you want to give kindness or you want to help. That's you hearing God to do the right thing in that way. But a lot of the time we...

Tkk (53:03.406)

Really.

Tkk (53:08.046)

Hmm.

Tkk (53:19.246)

Hmm.

Lorna (53:26.876)

We deny that. You know, we don't do it because the human part of us interferes. So you do hear God all the time and you do see God. You see God through someone else, someone showing you kindness or you seeing kindness or empathy or such emotion that moves you. You're seeing God because God is love.

Tkk (53:29.198)

Mm.

Tkk (53:43.598)

Mm.

Tkk (53:52.622)

Hmm.

Tkk (53:56.11)

Hmm.

Lorna (53:57.596)

You know, and you ask me, how can I describe this? God always gives me a male appearance, but I know God is neither male nor female. Can be both or can be neither in that way, but gives me always a male appearance. And how can I say, you know, in God's library, all I wanted to do was run away and hide. And I did a hid behind the

Tkk (54:06.254)

Mm.

Tkk (54:12.494)

Hmm.

Lorna (54:27.548)

enormous book and God said to me, why are you hiding?

Tkk (54:29.55)

Lorna (54:34.652)

And of course, I said, I'm afraid because of God's love and power is so overwhelming. Wasn't that I was afraid in the word, in the way we understand it. It was just that love was and that power was so overwhelming. I was soaking it up by the million, if you can understand in that way. But then other times when God walks with me or takes my hand.

Tkk (54:41.038)

Hmm.

Lorna (55:03.804)

Again, it's that love. It's... and always giving this male appearance.

Lorna (55:14.62)

I can't describe it, I have tried. You know, even God's hands are just so full of light, but it's like God's hand touching yours. And it's not just touching you humanly, but it's touching your soul as well. And that spark of light of God and that connection to God.

Tkk (55:27.95)

Mm.

Tkk (55:41.838)

Hmm.

Lorna (55:44.124)

because God has given you a part of itself. If you can understand that, even though it's so tiny, it's so enormous.

Tkk (55:48.718)

Hmm.

Tkk (55:53.486)

Mm.

Lorna (55:55.356)

I can't put it into words, I do try, but there's no words, but God does give a human appearance, you know.

Tkk (56:05.166)

Mm.

Lorna (56:08.188)

And it's so, what would you say, so human, but so, I can't, it's just like Archangel Michael one time walking with me in the college, you know, and it happened on other occasions where somebody said, Lorna, I saw you with someone. Who was that? You know, or just like the priest that.

Tkk (56:21.486)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (56:28.174)

Lorna (56:34.172)

pass by and because Archangel Michael made himself look so human, but yet so perfect. There's, you know, there wouldn't be a wrinkle or anything like that. And they said good morning father to him because he was dressed like a priest.

Tkk (56:38.958)

Hmm. Hmm.

Tkk (56:44.494)

Yeah.

Tkk (56:53.07)

wow.

Lorna (56:54.332)

You know, so they said good morning and

God sometimes just dresses so ordinary.

Tkk (57:05.23)

God also dresses so ordinary. I forgot, yeah.

Lorna (57:07.74)

Yeah, you know, it's, it's, but, you know, or we might be down by the river and God would just, you know, we'd say sit down in this log or heap of grass and God would just sit there, you know. But it's always taller than me. That's one thing I must say, but I'm small. I'm five foot nothing. So everyone is small as far as I'm concerned.

Tkk (57:29.006)

Five foot nothing.

Lorna (57:37.564)

So yes, and I suppose that's one of the reasons why I fell in love with Joe, because he was taller than me in that sense as well. So to describe God is, you know, when he gives such a human appearance, it's just this life, this, and what happens, what happens is like everything around changes.

Tkk (57:43.886)

Mm.

Tkk (57:49.486)

Yeah.

Lorna (58:07.964)

because everything, even though everything is already touched by God because God created this planet and everything, but it's like, how would I say, that connection when he's here physically in human form and that light, again, everything is more, how would I say, a human word we could use is clean, perfect, but

Tkk (58:24.75)

Mm.

Tkk (58:37.102)

Perfect.

Lorna (58:37.5)

That's not describing it. You can go to the dictionary and find as many words as you like and it still won't describe it.

Tkk (58:41.326)

Yeah.

Tkk (58:46.83)

Does God have a personality like strict humor sense, funny?

Lorna (58:53.212)

yes at times. I'd have to say, I'd have to say yes. God never seems to get angry. Maybe God did in the past because I know I have written about, I would call it the old God and the new God. That's God of the past and God, God now, in that way. But now it's like, you know,

Tkk (59:04.718)

Hmm.

Tkk (59:12.494)

freely.

Lorna (59:23.612)

never gets angry with us. Like I can't understand why God fell in love with us in the first place.

Tkk (59:32.718)

Mm.

Lorna (59:34.236)

and why he still cares for us.

Lorna (59:40.092)

when we are so horrible as human beings.

You know, and yet we have that spark of light of God. We are so creative. You know, that part of us.

And humanly, we want that intertwining so that part of us can, in a sense, create. I think mankind doesn't realize what mankind is capable of.

Tkk (01:00:13.518)

Mm.

You know the part where you said that God was angry before? I'm wondering if in the Old Testament God is a little bit angry and then in the New Testament he is different in the New Testament. So...

Lorna (01:00:20.38)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:00:29.82)

Yes, yes. But I'm afraid mankind wants to go by the Old Testament as much as possible. We're finding it hard humanly to make the change because...

Tkk (01:00:38.67)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:00:48.668)

Humanly, I suppose, man loves to have power and control over others. You know, but please God, we'll wake up like, you know, and those of different religions will realize that.

we don't have to be that way. Because again, God has shown me, I don't know what book it's in, because he only allows me to give little bits at a time. He's shown me where all religions come under the one umbrella.

Tkk (01:01:16.366)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (01:01:22.83)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:01:23.964)

because I know today people are frightened and afraid of the way someone else prays.

Tkk (01:01:33.422)

Mm.

Lorna (01:01:34.684)

But you can pray standing on your head if you like. You know, because prayer is prayer. And prayer is extremely powerful.

Tkk (01:01:40.878)

Mm.

Lorna (01:01:45.116)

I always say it can move mountains. So I always ask people to pray. Pray for yourself, yes. Pray for your loved ones, but don't forget to pray for the stranger, the person you don't know. And to pray for them as well, because maybe they can't pray for themselves or maybe they are so just suppressed. You know, they need help.

Tkk (01:01:52.494)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:02:10.062)

Mm.

Lorna (01:02:11.036)

and your prayer can save someone's life. It can in a sense, you know, just say a leader of a country or someone that's in power, suddenly they change their mind or they show a little bit more kindness. That's the power of prayer.

Tkk (01:02:18.798)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:02:23.758)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:02:30.678)

But Lorna, if God already knows what we are dealing with or like maybe someone else going through a problem, God would probably know that person is going through a problem more than me, right? If I don't pray, I mean, why should I pray if God already knows everybody and he can help? Wouldn't he help if I didn't pray?

Lorna (01:02:56.092)

Whether you pray or not, God will still help you. But then you have to pick up the glass of water. You have to accept the help or the kindness that's coming from someone. And again, that can be that it's not coming from one individual. It could be, how would you say, coming from an organization.

Tkk (01:02:58.158)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:03:05.006)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:03:11.694)

That makes sense.

Tkk (01:03:17.038)

Mm.

Tkk (01:03:23.182)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:03:24.38)

You know, so it happens in so many different ways. And there's people all over the world praying for the stranger. So they have been praying for you as well.

Tkk (01:03:35.318)

That makes sense.

Lorna (01:03:36.764)

You know, when we pray for the stranger, we're praying for everyone else in the world that may not be able to pray for themselves for some reason. You know, maybe they don't believe in God. Maybe they're mad angry. Maybe they're in such a place they can't even pray.

Tkk (01:03:52.046)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:03:58.158)

Yeah, no, that is true because sometimes people could probably be so deep into their problems and you know, because I have been in that place where when I really, it's crazy, right? When I really, really needed God, I didn't pray. When I really needed God, I would pray for like silly things, you know, some stuff that I could have done anyways. But when I really needed God, I had too much ego. I didn't want to ask God for help.

Lorna (01:04:06.684)

Yes.

Tkk (01:04:26.446)

I was like, I will do it myself. I don't need your help. So.

Lorna (01:04:30.236)

Well, just look at where you are now. Just look at what you're doing. You know, sometimes somebody would say to me, you know, I was praying and praying for a situation to be sorted in the way they wanted it sorted, you know, and it never happened in the way they want it. But 10 years later or 20 years later, they look back and...

Tkk (01:04:34.798)

Yes.

Tkk (01:04:48.75)

Mm.

Hmm. Hmm.

Tkk (01:04:58.414)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:04:58.78)

the same, thanks be to God, it wasn't sorted the way they wanted it. You know, I think that's what we have to remember. Sometimes we don't recognize the help we have been given or what we actually really need it because humanly we're looking for that glass of water and we don't want anything else. You know, we're so focused on that.

Tkk (01:05:03.214)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:05:13.038)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:05:22.126)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:05:26.172)

But if God gave us the glass of water, it wouldn't sort anything, nothing would happen. So you didn't get it and you might have been crying and you might have been saying, if I had only got it, it would have sorted everything. And then you, as time passed, you probably didn't even notice the situation was changing for the better and you were coming out of it.

Tkk (01:05:51.95)

Yeah, it's true. Because if I look back, I wouldn't change a thing. It changed me completely. I did have faith before, but the faith that I had before was more fear -based, where I prayed so that I could get something out of it. But now the way I pray is more like giving thanks, because I'm like, it's now that I realize how amazing God is, and that God is real, angels are real. So there's love, it's from a different place.

not from a fear -based place.

Lorna (01:06:26.556)

I always say if you can change fear into strength, change it into love, you know, even use that fear as you change it into strength and courage and love and know it will conquer your anxiety. You know, because sometimes we do need fear to give us strength.

Tkk (01:06:47.79)

Hmm.

Mm.

Yeah, true. It's like going to the gym and working your muscles. You just keep getting better every time. You know, you spoke about how you surrendered to God in the end. And I'm wondering, like you get messages, right? You the angels come to you and they tell you God wants you to do this. How do I know what God wants? Because I would love to surrender. But but how do I know what God wants out of me?

Lorna (01:07:21.66)

Well, I know you're doing it already. You know, you wouldn't be talking to me unless you were.

Tkk (01:07:25.646)

Mm.

Tkk (01:07:29.102)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (01:07:32.188)

ask that question again, sorry.

Tkk (01:07:35.022)

I'm asking how will I know? Like I would love to do God's work. I would love to, not even, I don't know if it's called God's work, but I would love to surrender to the plan that God has for me. But how do I know what the plan is if I cannot hear God? Or I know they give signs and all, but how do I know I'm on, how do I surrender?

Lorna (01:07:59.16)

What way would I say it's, you know, it's, you're looking for a plan, you know, where in my world there's no such word as plan. There is no such word as destiny or, you know, what you're meant to be or anything, you know, those are the words that people use all of the time.

Tkk (01:08:14.254)

-huh.

Tkk (01:08:24.078)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (01:08:27.932)

And when I heard them first, I said, what are they talking about? My destiny, your plan, your your dream, your, you know, all these words, I just couldn't figure them out. And because I don't they're not in my life and they never have been, you know.

Tkk (01:08:34.19)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:08:42.478)

I'm sorry.

Tkk (01:08:49.102)

Mm.

Lorna (01:08:51.324)

You have to trust and just go down the road. I like you are where you are now because at some stage you listened at points. You went probably not as perfect as you would have liked, but you went and you managed to get there. And you're there now. And again, it's to realize all the differences you can make, not for yourself, but for others, for the future of the world.

Tkk (01:08:59.854)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:09:04.974)

Mm.

Lorna (01:09:20.796)

It's like I just take stepping stones or sometimes I would say a path because people don't understand stepping stones either.

Tkk (01:09:21.166)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:09:33.532)

And sometimes somebody would say, well, their dream is, and this is what they're dreaming of, and this is what they're doing, and it's right in front of them. And they might say, why is God making it so difficult? You know, you have to work at things. You know, I'm still learning, so I'm still in school.

Tkk (01:09:47.31)

Mm.

Lorna (01:09:58.012)

You know, so I'm still working at it. If I'm heading in one direction and God shows me something ahead of me, I don't really take much notice of it, to be honest. You know, I see it, OK, that's fine. But I'll still keep learning and everything that's happening in between as I'm going towards it. But...

If then suddenly the stepping stones turn left or right, I just go. I don't get all upset of what was ahead of me. I don't feel disappointed or annoyed or anything like that.

Lorna (01:10:44.668)

You know, people use the word purpose as well.

Lorna (01:10:51.388)

They're not in my world.

So I suppose, you know, I just go on the journey, whatever way God takes me, and I have the faith and the belief, and it doesn't have to work.

Tkk (01:11:10.03)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:11:11.292)

I'm just doing what God has asked me to do.

And I know the world has to respond. It's like if God said to me, Lorna, you know, tomorrow go and buy some white paint and start painting the walls here in this little room.

Tkk (01:11:28.526)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:11:31.804)

Okay, I'd get the white paint, I'd take all the stuff off the walls and I'd start painting. But I wouldn't ask why.

Tkk (01:11:42.734)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:11:43.932)

or I don't ask, what does it mean?

And I don't ask, what does it mean for me? Because nothing is for me, it's for you.

Tkk (01:11:58.094)

When you said you don't plan, you don't know what plan means, I started laughing because I work as a planner. I work as a supply chain planner. I have to plan for the next one year. That's my job, so yeah.

Lorna (01:12:04.924)

Thank you.

Lorna (01:12:14.268)

Well, I suppose for myself, now where God has me, others plan, but they have learned that God can change it, you know, and they have learned that that can happen very quickly. And they have learned then that's OK.

Tkk (01:12:22.926)

Hmm.

Hmm.

Tkk (01:12:31.118)

Yeah.

That is beautiful, right? To be able to just surrender and go as per, I think I'm beginning to let go off now, before I was a little bit more, like my hands were like this, but now I'm beginning to let go. And life gets more adventurous when you do that. When you don't, when you are let go of these expectations where you want certain things to come in this certain way. It just gets more fun. It's beautiful. Can you tell us about, you know, you've got,

I heard that you had multiple near -death experiences. Can you talk to us about the one that stands out to you?

Lorna (01:13:15.356)

I suppose I've had many and I'm asking which one excuse me.

I suppose the one that I often talk about is the one where, you know, I lost my baby and died at the same time, you know, and just making it short, I was at home and Joe was with us and, you know, I went straight to heaven with my baby.

Tkk (01:13:38.446)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:13:54.414)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:13:57.052)

And just that beautiful angel standing in front of me at a certain point telling me I couldn't come. I had to hand my baby over. And this beautiful little soul I was holding in my arms.

Tkk (01:14:09.55)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:14:15.74)

I'm just seeing that angel just standing there and just giving so much love, but I still didn't want to.

Lorna (01:14:27.452)

I, why would I put it, I, you know, I didn't want to give up my baby, just like every mother. You know, I wanted to go with my baby. And I was saying no, but then God intervened and sent me back, you know, told me to hand over my baby. And I did that.

Tkk (01:14:34.126)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:14:39.79)

Mm.

Lorna (01:14:57.5)

But I do remember as well, there's so many parts of that I never had written about, you know, even looking back, how would I say it, turning and looking back and seeing Joe, you know, screaming at me, trying to wake me, trying to bring life back to me, you know.

Tkk (01:15:17.55)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:15:23.9)

I still didn't want to go back. You know, but when God spoke with that, at that time, a torridter voice, I knew I had to hand my baby over and just handing my baby over to this beautiful angel and taking my baby so gently and then being sent back so quickly.

Tkk (01:15:26.222)

Mm.

Tkk (01:15:36.238)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:15:51.982)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:15:52.252)

back into my human body. I felt that was horrific. Humanly, I felt that that was horrifically. And we don't die because of our soul. And our soul can, you know, give the human appearance as well. Your soul possesses everything of all the knowledge and wisdom, your life story, all your pain and hurt. But it heals it rapidly.

Tkk (01:15:56.974)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:16:04.622)

Mm.

Tkk (01:16:17.646)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:16:23.022)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:16:23.164)

you know, and I love that part, but we're not meant to take our lives, you know, we're meant to live. You know, if you're born into the world, you're born, a soul comes at that moment of conception and this little human being is meant to live whatever kind of life that is.

Tkk (01:16:30.83)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:16:49.596)

full of all its ups and downs and its joy and its laughter. So I always say to everyone, you know, don't commit suicide because you're needed. We love you. And if you think nobody loves you, I love you.

Tkk (01:16:53.774)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:17:02.19)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:17:07.822)

I love you too. You know, I was thinking you said that you went there and then you didn't want to come back. You know, you know all of these cases where people are in coma for so many years. Is it because the souls don't want to come back? So is it okay to pull the plug and let the soul go?

Lorna (01:17:09.468)

Okay.

Lorna (01:17:28.828)

Well, most of the time, if they never come back, a lot of the time it's where the soul has already left the body. And humanly, the body for the family is just being kept alive, but the soul is already probably standing there with the guardian angel, probably helping the family to make the choice to let the human part of them go.

Tkk (01:17:38.254)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:17:53.23)

Mm.

Tkk (01:17:58.286)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:17:58.364)

That's the part we find hard. It's the human part. It's the human body because we know as soon as we let them go, we can't hug them anymore. In that way, we won't feel their flesh in that way or the smell of their hair or the touch of their hair. You know, and I always feel that is very sad because sometimes I have been somewhere and...

Tkk (01:18:10.734)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lorna (01:18:28.092)

And the soul is standing beside the bed or maybe there has been a crash with the guardian angel but the family are there and the soul is staying to help to give them comfort.

Tkk (01:18:36.174)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:18:39.662)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:18:43.95)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:18:45.276)

You know, so I have seen where many a time the human body is being kept when the soul is already not there in the human body anymore.

Tkk (01:18:58.358)

You know, you mentioned that your husband, Joe, he had passed away and then, and that when you asked God, why did that happen? God said that maybe Joe wouldn't have been supportive of the work that you do. If, how do we know or how do we surround ourselves by the, I mean, does that mean that God didn't pick our partners or like, how do we know we have to,

people picked by God in our life.

Lorna (01:19:32.7)

Well, I suppose with Joe it was because he was already ill for so long from the time we got married. Like in appendix, nothing was ever normal in that sense. So he wouldn't have been able to cope and God had shown me that. He wouldn't have been able to. It's like...

Tkk (01:19:40.238)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:19:50.542)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:19:56.59)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:20:00.444)

It's not that he wouldn't have been supportive, he just wouldn't have been able to cope.

Tkk (01:20:06.062)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:20:08.508)

And I suppose in one sense, you know, as his health got worse and worse and you think of it, you know, one thing I always ask God was for him not to lose the quality of life. So. How could he cope if his quality of life was going down all of the time in that in that way? We were already thinking of.

Tkk (01:20:23.406)

Mm.

Lorna (01:20:36.316)

you know, a kind of wheelchair and everything for him. Near the end, what else could I do to give him dignity? Because we go for a walk at night, but you would be seeing, could he actually manage to walk to the front gate? If we got a little down the road, could he manage? And...

Tkk (01:20:39.918)

Mm.

Tkk (01:20:49.038)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:20:57.102)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:21:03.452)

I'd be holding on to him because he wouldn't want, he was a tall man, you know, he wouldn't want anyone to notice that he couldn't keep his balance. That is, you know, and I think it's so important for anyone who is ill in any way, their dignity is important as a human being. And we should never take, take that away.

Tkk (01:21:09.006)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:21:16.782)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:21:33.916)

So I know that's why God took him, because he wouldn't have been able to cope.

Tkk (01:21:40.91)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:21:42.748)

And even after Joe had died, you know, it took me a long time to say yes. You know, because I was a widow trying to cope and everything like that. No matter what help I had from God and the angels, humanly it was still hard. We forget the human part of us is the part that struggles.

Tkk (01:21:49.678)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:21:56.142)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:22:04.814)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:22:11.516)

Okay.

Tkk (01:22:12.75)

Yeah. Why do you think the near -death experience with the baby happened? What was the purpose of the baby coming into your life?

Lorna (01:22:25.308)

I never ask God that question. I never ask that question. Maybe I will one day.

Lorna (01:22:36.604)

But I suppose, you know, it would have been lovely to have had another child then, but it wasn't to be. It only came for a little while. And, you know, you have to remember when the soul comes and the mom is pregnant, you know, it shows you to be its mom. It came for just that short time to pour all that love on you.

Tkk (01:22:48.27)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:22:54.062)

Mm.

Lorna (01:23:05.02)

Why do you think moms get so emotional when they lose a child? When they miscarry or anything like that? You know, because they already felt that love, that connection. And even when they, like I've met many mothers who would say they had an abortion, but they would tell everybody, they were fine with the abortion and everything like that. And then they tell me it was tearing them apart.

but they could see no way at that time of taking care of that child. You know, I suppose the world is hard on moms because moms don't have the support that they need to have and neither do children. In one sense, we are the weakest link, the women and the children.

Tkk (01:23:33.614)

Hmm.

Tkk (01:24:02.446)

Yeah, that's true. I've also heard that if you miscarry, the soul that was supposed to come in that vessel will come as the next child.

Lorna (01:24:13.148)

I'd have to say no. I'd have to say no, I've never seen that happen. So I don't know if it does, but I've never seen it happen. Like even my own mom, you know, she lost two or three babies. And I always remember one time.

Tkk (01:24:15.406)

no, that was a good ending to the story though.

Tkk (01:24:25.646)

Mm.

Lorna (01:24:41.116)

how would I say, when she was losing and she was at home and she was in bed, that little soul never came back. And even though I had another brother after that, you know, you have to remember that little soul, that's maybe all God wanted it to do, because that soul was the spark of light of God, was just to be conceived.

Tkk (01:24:45.87)

Mm -hmm.

Lorna (01:25:08.092)

for a mother to carry it for whatever short time or long time. That's all. It's like my little brother died at 10 weeks, remember. He came for that short time. He didn't need to come for any longer.

Tkk (01:25:19.182)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:25:28.494)

Even if a baby's come for a short time, even if it's for a miscarriage, where you don't even see them, they make such a huge impact on the mom. Probably gives them a lot more strength to the mom too. Can you tell us about your books and which one is your favorite and how did you write them?

Lorna (01:25:33.148)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:25:36.988)

Yeah, it does.

Lorna (01:25:48.828)

Well, because I am dyslexic and it's a real long story, so I wouldn't have to cut it really short. The first book is called Angels in My Hair. So when I did say yes, after you died, someone that we had just met came to the house with a laptop and a printer. And again, they listened to God.

Tkk (01:25:55.342)

Mm -hmm.

Tkk (01:26:13.806)

Mm.

Lorna (01:26:14.46)

You know, and that was Dell laptop at that time. They were really expensive. And then someone else I had said I was going to write and they knew I couldn't read or write. So they said I have it right here. The old the old one. They set it up that I only had to press two buttons. And just talk in. But at another time, someone else gave me a tape.

Tkk (01:26:18.35)

Yeah.

Tkk (01:26:26.862)

Mm.

Tkk (01:26:36.75)

Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Lorna (01:26:43.228)

and I talked into it. And then Jean came along and she done say one day a month, I think it was, she would type out what was on the tapes. And then my computer would read it out because I had the Dragon Net. And then I'd press the button to stop it and add in more.

Tkk (01:26:57.102)

Mm.

Tkk (01:27:11.31)

Hmm.

Lorna (01:27:12.412)

And again, it was my publishers, my editor. And he just felt the story called Angels in My Hair would have a big impact on the world. But the rest of the publishing company thought no. So he actually had to fight to get published. And it became a bestseller.

Tkk (01:27:27.63)

Hmm. Hmm.

Lorna (01:27:38.972)

You know, all over the world, I think it has gone to 50 countries, over 30 languages, and the same with the other books as well. You know, so I suppose Angels in My Hair is the beginning.

Tkk (01:27:56.814)

It's such a beautiful way.

Lorna (01:27:57.596)

And I always say, yeah, I always say to everybody, if you're going to read one of my books, read that one first, because you'll get to understand and then you can go on to the other ones.

Tkk (01:28:10.146)

Beautiful. Lorna, can you tell us where we can find you?

Lorna (01:28:14.724)

I would always say LornaBurn .com, just LornaBurn .com and anything I'm doing you can find on the offense page, you can find, I don't know technically, you would have to explain all of that and yeah, you would have to do all of that. Okay.

Tkk (01:28:21.454)

Okay.

Tkk (01:28:31.95)

I was expecting that. Yeah, I knew you were going to say that, but LornaBurn .com, that's where you can find Lorna and then all the other details would be on the website as well. So all the books, details, all of that is there and you can find out details from there. Lorna, can you tell us if there's like one advice you would want to give to the world?

What would that be?

Lorna (01:29:04.38)

I suppose the advice I would give is, you know, love yourself, start to love you so you can love others and so that you can love life itself and our beautiful planet and try and be the best person you possibly can be.

Tkk (01:29:14.35)

Yeah.

Lorna (01:29:29.372)

and know that you have a soul, that spark of light of God, no matter what's happening in your life, and that you are an incredible person, and that you're loved.

and that you have a guardian angel that God has given you as a gift that cannot leave you for one second. Please be you, be the wonderful person you are.

So thank you to all your listeners and God bless.

Tkk (01:29:58.542)

Thank you so much. Thank you so much Lorna, speaking to you, it's just, I feel calm. You've got this beautiful energy. Thank you so much for the work that you do. Thank you so much for speaking to us. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you.

Lorna (01:30:13.948)

Thank you.