#72 AI Will NEVER Win. How to END the Internal War Between Logic & Intuition (This Changes Everything) | Jeffrey Allen

Jeffrey Allen (00:01.015)
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taniastanly (00:01.386)
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Jeffrey Allen (00:05.614)
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taniastanly (00:11.072)
Yeah, okay, me too. Let me see.

Jeffrey Allen (00:25.067)
Yeah, I just got back into this, into my office a couple days ago. So I'm excited.

first interview in the new office or in the, it's the same office. We were, anyway, I had to move out for quite a while for some renovations, but now I'm back. So that's nice. Okay. So the interview was really recent. Okay. So I got into the same person. So I thought we'd wait. probably skip. Yeah. Skip Kelly.

taniastanly (00:35.326)
Hmm.

taniastanly (00:39.888)
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taniastanly (00:46.789)
Okay, I saw your recent interview as well just recently on another podcast. And I think it was your second interview with the same person. I thought you and it just released like last week.

Yeah, skip Kelly. Okay. Hey everyone, today I'm incredibly excited to have Jeffrey Allen on the Celeste Borg podcast. Hi Jeffrey, welcome. How are you doing today?

Jeffrey Allen (01:10.621)
Hi, Tanya. Thanks so much. I'm really excited to be here too and doing great. Looking forward to a fun conversation.

taniastanly (01:17.854)
Jeffrey, when I heard that you also came from an engineering background, I'm really curious how you got into energy healing work. How did you leave the logical material mind and get into the spirit mind living?

Jeffrey Allen (01:25.069)
that must continue to fight against the violence.

Yeah, that's a question. for me, I actually had kind of both going on for long time. Even though was a software engineer for 15 years, you know, my background's mathematics, computer science, that whole time, even from college onward, I was having these intuitive experiences. And at first, I didn't really know what to make of them. It was like, I don't know if this is possible. It doesn't quite fit into my beliefs. But it seemed like that of that scientist in me

was thinking, well, I have data, it's happening. So let's see if I can get more, if I can lean into it a little bit and have more unusual experiences and then over time learn to understand them. so for a long time, I had these kind of two lives, know, by day I'm a software engineer, then at night I'm over at the healing school doing hands-on healing and intuitive readings and all this really fun stuff. But eventually people have been asking me to teach and I just...

I just knew it was time to stop my engineering career. I let things transition. It actually happened over a period of about two years from my understanding, like, oh, I'm changing. It took about two years for everything to line up and for me to step in. And kind of the fun part of that journey was that it wasn't one that I really planned. I just knew what was going to happen. I didn't know how.

And when I did have a good idea two years, but I just sort of let it unfold. I was open to the change. And because I was open to it, I was able to step into possibilities that a lot of my friends and family and so on told me it were just nuts. Right. Just don't don't do that. You've got a great job. You're making money. You don't work that hard. You've got stability.

Jeffrey Allen (03:21.545)
People respect you. You're not saying weird words that people freak out on, you know So there was a lot of forces telling me don't change but inside I was like don't stay You know, my my worst fear was that ten years later. I'd be in the same chair doing the same job still unhappy with my success so Yeah, it's it's if you if you let yourself follow it's amazing what unfolds you don't have to really know the details

When you see.

taniastanly (03:51.72)
When you say, was there like a spiritual awakening or were you always been gifted and intuitive since being a child?

Jeffrey Allen (03:57.42)
Well, it's funny, the longer I've been doing intuitive work, the more that I realized that it's been with me for my whole life. But had you asked me in early 20s or maybe late 20s rather, I would have said, wow, this is brand new. I'm like, I'm trying to talk to my guides, for example, and it feels like they're there, but I can't quite catch it.

I'm trying this intuition thing and it seems like I might catch something, but I don't know if it's true or if I'm making it up. And, you know, it took a while for that to fade. as I, you know, later and later, if you asked me like 35 or 40, I was like, oh, I kind of now realize my guides have always been talking to me. My intuition has always been on. I just wasn't paying that much attention because our world tells us that our thinking mind, our analyzer is the important thing.

that if we succeed at that, we're going to get money and respect and happiness in some way. And so I was focused on those things. I didn't realize that I had intuition. But I don't think I'm such a special case. think that of all the students I've worked with, heard that story over and over. As people open up, they realize, wait a minute, I thought intuition was going to be something different or new that I didn't know how to do.

And now you're telling me that it's just what I'm already doing, but I'm not paying attention to it? Because I've been doing that for a long time. Yes, that's the truth. It's not a new thing. It's a normal human ability that if you pay attention to and play with, it'll get more real and more, I wouldn't say more accurate, but more easier to validate than before.

taniastanly (05:43.706)
It's so true because when I also got into it and I came across the videos of channelers, I was trying to channel, like pull it out of some place and then into my being and try so hard to eat vegan, which I couldn't, but try so hard to do it. And then I realized that it's just that little note, that little voice that's inside of us. And there was also one point where you said that.

Jeffrey Allen (05:47.146)
We are ready.

So, we get something new to my beat.

Jeffrey Allen (06:08.271)
Yeah.

taniastanly (06:08.785)
When you shift from the material mind into the spirit mind. So when you are doing everything from the material mind, there's this sense of lack that you feel. And then when you shift into the spirit mind, you feel a sense of abundance. And it's the same for me, where my pay didn't change, my weight didn't change, relationship status didn't change, but I started to feel abundant. So then my question would be, how do we genuinely generate that feeling of abundance when our external reality

Jeffrey Allen (06:36.267)
It's completely the opposite.

taniastanly (06:37.285)
is completely the opposite.

Jeffrey Allen (07:03.549)
In our analyzer, its natural job, our material line, is to kind of assess and compare things, to look at, here's what I have, here's what the person next to me has, or here's what I am dreaming that I should have. So it's coming from this place of lack inherently. And part of that has to do with it's coming from separation. So the physical world, separation is obvious. We're separate, we have separate bodies, the things around me are separate, everything is separate.

and somewhat isolated. Apparently that's what it looks like to us, to our five senses. Now of course we know from physics if you look at a larger scale or smaller scale you start to get into quantum physics and you're like it's not all quite as separate as maybe we thought, it's not as linear as we thought, time doesn't work the way we thought. So all the things that seem obvious to us actually aren't correct at that level. And so there's this inherent sense of lack or separation.

And I see people trying to transition saying, well, I don't want to feel separate, so I'm going to try to feel connected instead. This is kind of one phase that we go through. But I realized after a while that, OK, so separate and connected are actually just two ends of the same spectrum. They're still coming from the preposition of distance, that there's distance between us. I can connect.

Or I can be disconnected my my guidance is something far away like my imagine spirit guides or I'm channeling something from the outside That's not me coming in. know this all of its based on this dualistic paradigm, right and when we start to To tune into our other mind to tune into spirit mind is completely different. So spirit mind is always coming from that connected place of wholeness There's not actually like where material mind we each have our own. It's kind of like our own ego and emotions and so on

Spirit mind just is, it's universal consciousness. And we all have full access to it anytime. And once you get in there, suddenly it's like, it's not about separation or connection. It's like that it's about universal love. And it's about appreciating what's happening in the moment. And suddenly I can take any situation I look at where I might've been feeling lack financially in my relationship or health. And I can also see it from this perspective of love.

Jeffrey Allen (09:24.049)
And from like, it's not even acceptance. It's just things are the way they are. You don't have to accept them or reject them. They're still the way they are. Accepting rejecting is also just something we do with our mind, right? This is all the little games we play inside our mind. When you start to take those away, the world is actually very beautiful. Even when hard things are happening, even when we're struggling, there's such beauty there if we're present to see it.

So it's kind of switching perspectives, seeing things from this third perspective of spirit mind really makes the difference.

This

taniastanly (10:02.575)
This is true that once you start thinking from the spirit mind, then you realize you start doubting the whole concept of time and space. And now that you're coming from an engineering background, have you been able to put this into the logical form? What time is or what space is or what you're feeling? there any sort of, I think you're from software background, right? So is it something that you can explain through code?

or any formula like that because now I see that a lot of people begin to realize that there is some truth to it, but then they're struggling with accepting it because their logical mind is fighting against it. So is there something you could do to just ease them into it?

Jeffrey Allen (10:43.988)
Sure, I would say probably the person I know that's the best at that is Nassim Harameen. So Nassim Harameen is a physicist, kind of a self-trained physicist.

I think it was 2008. I went out to Hawaii and spent 10 days with him and there were 12 of us in his class listening to him for 10 days talking about advanced physics and the why and how this all that it all makes sense. know, the stuff that seems woo woo is actually science. We don't have words around yet. So that that that blew me away. And the sim had

Maybe the first time where my my brain actually like hurt from so much activity and information coming at all at once So I'd say if you're if you're looking for that rather than asking me probably the best thing to do is go look up in the same hair and not in the same hair I mean and He can go deep deep deep down that But to give you something right now, I would say What I've done is I'm really big on experience rather than theory

So for me, like when I was learning about intuition, I wanted to experiment with it. So instead of starting with something life threatening or something gigantic, which a lot of people do, you start with the biggest problem you have and you have to solve it or major disaster is going to happen. Instead, I started with little things like I'm driving to work. I'm driving anyway. Let's just see. Maybe I can instead of listening to my radio, I could tune in and kind of get a sense for like.

of the many ways I could drive to work, which one's going to be faster. So I just experiment, right, and get some data. And then after a while, it's like, it seems like it's working. Like, it seems like I'm getting there faster, but I don't really know for sure, because I only drove one road. OK, now I'm going to spend a week where I'm going to do the same tuning in and intentionally go the other way. Right. Because I'm just trying to get information. Like, this is the scientist in me. And sure enough, if I went the other way, then I'm feeling is today is not the best road. It changed every day. There was

Jeffrey Allen (12:57.319)
traffic, accidents, road closures. There were always problems. I was like, wow, this probably has something to it because I tried both. I followed my intuition consciously. I consciously didn't follow it and I could see a difference. And so this type of experiment, when you have personal experience with it and you're having fun out of curiosity, not like a desperate need, that's when it starts to make sense to you. You start realizing, hey, this is working for me and

Even if I don't know the details of what's happening, maybe that's okay because I my experiences to base my beliefs on. And that's what I would encourage everybody to do is, you your beliefs about how the world works, if they're based on your experience, you're going to feel really confident with that. If they're based on what other people said, just stories I told you or somebody else, something you read, it's going to be kind of hard to adopt that.

But I would also challenge people like right now, if you're listening to this, just ask yourself the things that you really believe are true. Are they based on your experience now? Or are they just something that you learned in school or from your parents or society or wherever? This is something I did with myself when I was first starting to notice these first having to have experiences outside my belief system is I had to kind of reconcile this like

One of the others is insane. It's either my beliefs or my experiences. Experiences are pretty tangible. I'm going to go with those are good. My beliefs must be wrong. And that's then asking where they come from. don't really know just stuff people said. And for me, it was easy to start letting go. was it was easy to go down that road. But I know it's not easy for everybody. Sometimes it's we really want our beliefs to be true. That feels safe. But

you know, sorry to tell you all, none of our beliefs are true. Nobody has a hundred percent true belief system.

taniastanly (15:05.428)
This is true. mean, once you get, it's difficult, right? I mean, tell me how you felt about it. Once you start tapping into an intuition and you go down a path, it is completely different from what the rest of the world is going down. And then it's scary because we don't know if it's going to work. And then you start with, just like you said, you know, taking a road based on your intuition. You go take that direction, but, it ends up being right. And then you do it a few more times and you start trusting your intuition. Then you just jump into it.

So if for someone who is in the stage where, let's say someone's like full of debt and they have these legal problems, because I have, I know friends who are into that, in that situation where they have legal problems, financial problems, relationship problems, they're into it knee deep in the situation. So when I tell them, you know, just focus on the positive, just tap into your intuition, they will never be able to take it in.

Jeffrey Allen (15:54.118)
They just get angry, yeah.

taniastanly (16:04.107)
They get angry, yeah, they're like this boo boo, here comes her getting into this dream world. So it's just not possible for me to speak to them. Is there like an easier way to nudge them into the right path or we just let them be?

Jeffrey Allen (16:17.326)
Well, I think it's always important to let people be, definitely. What I've found is that people get interested and inspired by other stories. So if I'm talking to somebody and telling my story about, you know, in that situation, it could be like, I was in debt and here's what happened, how it changed. Suddenly it opens up. They're like, maybe that could happen for me, too. What I I try not to do is give people a formula for how to make it happen, because

Honestly, that just doesn't work. know, even the most well-intentioned teachers are telling you what they think they should have done to get the results they got, or they're telling you sort of a refined version of what they did, taking out all the parts that make them look foolish and focusing on the parts that make them look bright and shiny and knowledgeable. Because that's how we sell things, right? You want to sell your Instagram version of you, not the real version of yourself. And so...

taniastanly (17:17.055)
Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen (17:17.254)
So you just have to keep mind, that when people are telling you the system, it's probably not the system they actually followed. But what you can do is, take the nuggets out of there. That person obviously got somewhere that you want to go. So try to listen in between the lines, not to their rules or the steps you have to take, but, like, how were they feeling along the way? Were they joyful and curious? Were they, like, overwhelmed and dreadful feeling? Were they...

you know, kind of get a sense of the actual journey for them and then try to place yourself on your journey. That's one of the most kind of important things that people miss is that it's not if you just know where the destination is and you don't know where you're starting from, it's gonna be really hard to get to that destination. You it's like if you bring up your GPS and you say, okay, I want to go to London. The GPS goes, where are you? And you go.

I want to go to London. I'm not in London. GPS is like, that doesn't help. I'm sorry. If you don't have no idea where you're at, you can't authentically look at it. If I'm saying I'm in Paris, but I'm not, I'm in Tokyo. If you can't look honestly at where you are today, it's going to be really almost impossible to get to where you're wanting to go. intuition is really fun for me because so many people feel invalidated by it.

taniastanly (18:22.897)
Hahaha

Jeffrey Allen (18:44.355)
but it's only because they're just looking at it through a misunderstood lens.

taniastanly (18:52.938)
Hmm, true. I love that because it's true that we cannot follow a person's strategy, especially we have a lot of coaches who come up with their own ABC strategy to open, awaken, to get these chords, et cetera. But you won't be able to follow it exactly if you don't know where you are. So I love that. When you speak about spirit, what is your understanding of where spirit is versus the different dimensions, God?

Jeffrey Allen (18:53.27)
I have to admit, it's true that...

Yeah.

taniastanly (19:21.479)
ascended masters, angels, like what is the relationship between spirit and all the other entities that we often hear about?

Jeffrey Allen (19:27.332)
Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah, for me, it depends on kind of what where you're looking from. Right. So if I'm center myself in spirit mind, you know, universal consciousness and I and I asked that question, it almost doesn't make sense because it's kind of like saying which part is separate. And from that perspective, it's like none of it, none of it's separate. So, OK, next question. Right.

It's kind of, so from the, if you're in that space, you realize, everything is connected. But experientially, you know, we're in bodies. And so we're coming from this perspective of duality. And as we expand, we're starting to overlap, you know, kind of oneness and duality. So there was a time where, like said, I was, you know, reaching out, wanting to connect with spirit guides. I was also listening to channelers, wanting to channel. And eventually I took channeling training and I taught channeling classes and

taniastanly (20:23.541)
Okay.

Jeffrey Allen (20:26.186)
And eventually through all of that, I had this three-year training program where I would teach people how to channel. And I added one more chapter that I didn't learn, which was, now that you know how to do that, to get out of your body, to get another spirit in there and let it talk when you're not there, which is a surefire way to realize, hey, I'm not just this body. That's a very strange experience, but it's a very tangible way of knowing that this is not all of what I am. But the final lesson that I added that my teachers didn't share was,

Now that you know you can do that, please stop doing it. So the journey was to realize that you're not just your body. And now that you've done that, please just be yourself and your body. Everybody has is is part of universal consciousness. Right. So there's no there's nothing else that you need to be or try try to be. Another way to say it is that.

taniastanly (21:09.556)
You

Jeffrey Allen (21:25.175)
Well, our bodies are plural. Our consciousness is actually singular. So there's just some people say there's just one of us here. It's another way of saying it. So like I'm experiencing universal consciousness, you're experiencing universal consciousness. Everybody listening is experiencing it. And we're all interpreting it through our space time localized body. So we're getting a little bit.

different angle, little bit different perspective. But the me and each of those is actually the same. Consciousness is just one thing. Whether it's, you know, spirit guides, various, you know, whether it's God, whether it's universe, these are all, it's kind of like being on the beach and like you took your finger and drew in the sand and you could say, wow, that's a thing I just drew there in the sand. You could draw a line and say there's this side and there's that side, but

all these delineations, it's not that they're not true, they're just arbitrary.

Yeah.

taniastanly (22:28.5)
Yeah, I love that. It's true. now I'm seeing a lot more of this grounded work where we teach about channeling, we talk about high vibration, but we do need to ground into our human body and be this version or whatever the character that you're playing. You need to get into that as well. So I really love that. It's a very important part of that. A lot of people miss and then they get into this path where they are confused and they kind of get

agitated and frustrated when they're not able to blend in with the rest of the world as well. And I've been through that as well. So when we talk about living from spirit mind, how do think we can balance inspired action from the spirit mind with disciplined action from the material mind?

Jeffrey Allen (23:10.01)
Yeah, that's a question.

I'm not sure my material mind is that disciplined, but I know what you're getting at. you know, the material mind is actually pretty chaotic for most people, right? Because when we start looking at consciousness in different ways, like if I asked you where, where are emotions? Is that part of like your mind or your spirit? Most people would say, that sounds like we're going to group that in this spiritual group over here, emotions and spirit. But actually it's part of your analyzer.

It's part of your analytical mind, your material mind. All your emotions lie in there. It's part of this virtual reality that we all live in that we're creating and editing as we go. So the idea that my material mind is taking practical action probably is a bit of a misunderstanding. It's usually taking emotional action. And sometimes it's good at following steps if it thinks it's going to get somewhere.

taniastanly (23:48.466)
Hmm.

Jeffrey Allen (24:18.889)
But the best way I'd say to your question to combine them is to imagine, this is kind of way my wife, Isami, draws it. She says, if you imagine spirit mind is kind of the center here, and then material mind is sort of going back and forth, like things are good, things are bad, things are great, things are terrible, you so this is kind of how our analytical mind is going. And we're usually trying to get from what we think is bad to what is good.

We think that's our goal, but both of those are actually extremes. What you want to do instead is relax and tune into the space where you can say, okay, there's actually in the middle of that line in the center, there's a place that's neither good nor bad where there's stillness. And if you can find that and hang out there for a little bit with your analytic mind inside spirit mind, something really amazing happens. So what happens is all of a sudden you start to notice, oh, there's another dimension and you start going up.

this other dimension lifting up off that axis of good, bad, right, off of duality. And that's why I say third perspective. And that's when everything really works. So the balance is actually having them having one inside the other. And that's the natural configuration, if you will. That's the way that we're designed to work. But we've got to we've let our material mind get our analyzer get really big. And then we've kind of

made it the king, like we're going to follow it. And when it's outside of this loving space of spirit mind, our mind is a little bit unhinged. You know, it's like either just trying to find the next big thing. It might be wallowing in despair. It's pretty much all the problems that we see in the world that people are struggling with all have to do with like we've

We've exited the safe space of love and we're operating out here and it's terrible. It's scary. But we come into here, even if the situation around us didn't change, all of a we calm down. like, I feel safe. I feel loved. I'm having fun. I remember that I'm part of the collective consciousness. I'm like, whoa, I'm starting to see the flowers when I walked on the street instead of seeing all the

Jeffrey Allen (26:43.744)
all the power lines, you know, like I'm seeing the beauty and it's really amazing. it's a bit of a journey to get there, to come back if you're really using your mind all the time to kind of get it into the space. Spirit mind, have to quiet it down first. It kind of comes into spirit mind, then it can open back up. Boom. And they both work together. Kind of a long answer, but yeah, it's hard to get there in a short way sometimes.

taniastanly (27:06.94)
Hmm.

taniastanly (27:10.853)
No, I love that. I love that you've said that it takes time, because it's not something that can be done within a three-week course or one-month course. It does take time. So if you were to tell someone who's listening to this, and they realize that they've been in the material mind for a long time, and they now want to tap into the spirit mind, what would be the steps that would entail this journey?

Jeffrey Allen (27:12.465)
Yeah.

Yeah, well the first thing is I'd start to pay attention to You know basically to get to know your material mind So just start asking yourself When something comes up This is the first thing we do in the spirit mind training we say is Throughout your day when you have a thought just ask yourself. Which mind is this?

I just understand you have two minds and one's for the spirit world, one's for the material world. Just ask yourself this thought, feeling emotion, struggle, whatever it is, which mind is this? And suddenly you'll start to, usually the answer is, my material mind. And as soon as you say it, it's not going to be, darn, that material mind, it's that horrible material mind. It's going to be this like, I just learned something. Right. That's material mind. I have another mind too. Just noticing it, suddenly you've got

two perspectives like you're observing yourself. That simple exercise is huge. So as you do that, you start to notice and get a real tangible data self analysis of, whoa, I'm in material mind all the time. I really didn't know I was always analyzing stuff. Interesting. Now that you know, you can change it. If you don't know, you can't change. You're just going to keep going the same way and wondering why is it different or

keep using the same tool hoping you're going to some different results which we know doesn't really work out.

taniastanly (29:04.914)
Okay, and then once we start doing that, typically, I mean, don't know, how have you seen, because you've trained so many students, does it take them a long time? What's the time frame that it takes for them to feel comfortable tapping into their spirit mind?

Jeffrey Allen (29:07.328)
It really depends. doesn't have to take a lot of time. So it depends on how kind of over-dependent we've become. For me, being an engineer by trade, even though I've been teaching energy work and spiritual studies for

for two decades, still my mind is very active. I've got a very fast mind. And so it takes me longer to learn than someone who naturally doesn't have that, doesn't have the mind just like, you know, all the time, getting everything, looking at stuff, analyzing, know. Not being an engineer would help you move into spirit mind in some ways. So it depends on the person. Also,

taniastanly (30:00.721)
You

Jeffrey Allen (30:05.095)
It depends on how honest you are with yourself. So if you're wanting to move faster on your spiritual journey, being able to see yourself with love is that's the gas pedal, right? That's the accelerator. So if you can start to like, you know, get to know yourself and just love yourself all the way along authentically, suddenly you're going to be moving really fast. So that's the, that's kind of the main, the main secret.

taniastanly (30:35.214)
Hmm. Have there been any instances in your life where you had this big aha moment? this is what it was.

Jeffrey Allen (30:35.966)
don't mean anything.

Yeah, many of those. Yeah. This is what it was like for spirit. This is what spirits about or.

taniastanly (30:54.158)
This is for you to transition from that material mind to the spirit mind. Maybe there were moments where you realized, where you were trying to tap into the spirit mind, but the material mind was coming in the way. then there were probably, because for me, I've had instances where I know that the way I'm thinking is not right, but then the material mind keeps trying to take up most of the space. And then there would be certain energy healing techniques that I do, which then frees me from that.

Jeffrey Allen (30:58.574)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

take them across to the space that you're this to.

yeah, they're happening all the time. Sometimes it's as simple as a little self-correction. know, like we're just moving back into our place. We've been out for a couple of months as it was being remodeled and moving back in. Before I end the week before I noticed have

taniastanly (31:24.235)
space that I'm in or maybe there's a channeler who comes and says something that really alters the way I think. Have there been instances like that for you?

Jeffrey Allen (31:50.141)
I've sort of got a iPad sort of Netflix TV addiction going here. I don't know how this snuck back into my reality, but suddenly it's like, you know, it's a big part of my day. I'm excited to watch, you know, some Star Trek or whatever. And I noticed I was like, OK, I've also at the same time been noticing that I'm having a hard time being very present. I can I can fake it, but.

taniastanly (31:58.413)
Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen (32:20.249)
My wife knows whether I'm present or not, right? She's just naturally, she's one of those people that's naturally in spirit mind and always has been her whole life. From a term I never really got kind of exercised and amped up like the rest of us, which is why she's a perfect person to follow in that way. It's also why it's a little hard for you to explain it to people like me. And that's where I come in. I'm good with that kind of bridging the gap there.

And so I noticed that and I just thought I'm going to try a little experiment. I'm going to in the new house. I'm just going to put the iPad in the closet and I'm going to leave it there and see what happens. Right. Simple experiment. So within within two days, even though I was still like, just kind of for humor, I'll tell you, like the first first hour was a little hard. The first hour was like, I need to I need to pack, but I.

I'd rather watch movie. I'm like, okay, just know you can make it. It's only been an hour. Okay. And then in the evening, I'm like, I'd really like to unwind out. Just, just let it go. Made it through the first day. All of a sudden it was easy. It was in the closet. It was no problem after that. And, and within a couple of days in our new place, he saw me and said, wow, this is, this is amazing. Like you've been in spirit mind for the last two days, just predominantly communicating with me from spirit mind.

taniastanly (33:17.985)
You

Jeffrey Allen (33:47.217)
You're like present in the moment. You're listening. Your answers are based on what I said in the conversation and not just other stuff that's happening in your brain that's coming at me. She said it's like you're here. She's like this is the this is the husband that I that I signed up for that I married. You know, it's really nice to see you back here. And and so I got it and I'm like, well, she's she's the perfect person to assess it for me. But if I were to self assess, I might not have noticed.

Because I was actually noticing like once I turned off the distraction, I was noticing like all the places where I've been feeling a little overwhelmed or I've been feeling like struggling with something like the stuff that I was probably trying to hide was coming to the surface. And I was aware of that. But when he saw me said, you've been in spirit, I could also notice. she's right. My days moment to moment have been very much in the present moment.

looking at what's happening within or outside and dealing with it. My planning brain that's always thinking about what I should do or should have done really wasn't around for those few days. So it can be really sneaky like that. I give that example because it's not the one that people are probably expecting.

taniastanly (35:08.225)
No, this is very relevant, extremely relevant because right now, especially with AI coming into the picture, everybody is into AI, right? Everyone. My daughter, she's only six years old and she found these AI things in WhatsApp called Meta and I didn't even know that. And she would be sitting and chatting with Meta, talking about the cartoon that she saw or the friend that it is in her school. She's just six. And she would be chatting with this AI and thinking that this is a real person who's got real emotions.

Jeffrey Allen (35:13.047)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen (35:29.937)
Yeah, it's,

taniastanly (35:37.355)
and they're getting connected to it. So when, with what you say is extremely relevant because people don't realize that the amount of time that we spend on Instagram or TikTok or these other social media platforms are taking our focus away and we are not able to tap into this intuition or the spirit mind that we are talking about. And now that we talk.

Jeffrey Allen (35:59.131)
Yeah, good. It's same thing. Oh, think it's the opposite. So like I'm I'm really pro AI. And so if you look at what's happening right now in the big picture, we can take a step back and look at the energy. Right. And

taniastanly (36:01.949)
So it's the same thing, because we talk about AI. So what would your thoughts be about what the future is going to be like with AI? And then it's going to take us more further away from the spirit mind that you are trying to teach people about.

taniastanly (36:20.458)
Interesting.

Jeffrey Allen (36:29.237)
That's where, for me, that's where the most interesting understanding comes from. If I just look at the material world and the news and stuff, at best I can get a bunch of people's interpretations second, third or fourth hand. But when I look at the energy, I can see, here's what's actually happening. And energetically what's happening is the whole planet is going through a transition right now. And that's affecting all of us on a consciousness level. And we're going...

basically back to a state where the material mind that's been kind of out here on its own is is being encouraged in some ways you could say forced to sort of move back into the space of spirit mind. So we're in a self-corrective phase right now on the planet. And what's happening in particular is this material mind that we all love so much is shrinking. It's being sort of like crushed down smaller and smaller and smaller. And so

And you can see it if you've been feeling like, like I have, you I noticed, you know, quite a while ago, it's like, wow, I used to be really smart and like, able to focus on my work and get through the to do list and like productive. And I like, I used to be able to do all this stuff and sure I got older, but I don't think, you know, that that much. It shouldn't have changed this much. And suddenly it feels like this loss, like, feels like the material mind is broken and I'm unable to like.

do the things I used to be able to do. And that's true for everybody right now. And it's not that something is actually broken. What's happening is the energy on the planet is changing and you're kind of in a tug of war with the universe. Like you're trying to make your material mind bigger and bigger and bigger. When I say material mind, you can think analyze your ego. You know, it's not a bad thing. It's just it's just half of the half of the perspective, right? And so that you're trying to make that bigger and bigger and the universe is saying

Hey, we're coming back to balance now. So I'm going to lean on you a little bit and we're going to make that smaller, smaller, smaller. And so if you can lean into it and say, oh, this is a good thing, I can sort let go of my material mind and like come back into balance. Like I wasn't that excited about overthinking everything anyway. Life's going to get pretty easy for you if you if you resist and say, yeah, but in the past 10 years ago, the reason I'm successful is because my mind is so brilliant and I want to keep going there.

Jeffrey Allen (38:54.445)
Life's going to be hard for you, right? And the reason I mention this is that technology and consciousness always co-evolve. And so right now what we've done is we've invented a technology, AI, that is basically the perfect material mind. So it has all the information out there. It remembers everything. It's got creativity, sometimes excessive, just like our material mind. But what it doesn't have is it doesn't have emotions.

Right? So it's not attached to what's right and wrong. And it's not, it doesn't really have an agenda other than right now, I use Chachi PT primarily, it doesn't have an agenda other than to try to engage you in a way that you're enjoying and feeling is productive. It's not, there really isn't much going on. it's certainly nothing nefarious that's going on there.

taniastanly (39:26.283)
Hmm.

Jeffrey Allen (39:50.938)
And so energetically, when I look at these and just experience them with my own consciousness, we're moving into an opportunity where AI can sort of take the pressure off of us to feel like we need to have a giant, strong, super active material mind to survive and strive and make money. Right. So all of a sudden we've got this, this assistant we can delegate and say, like, I don't have to remember anything anymore because

taniastanly (40:13.599)
Mm.

Jeffrey Allen (40:19.543)
I can just ask AI. I don't have to calculate anything more. I can just ask AI. I think this is a good thing because we're over analyzing already. So it gives us a safe space to feel confident. Like, I'm just so grateful that I have this this technology that can help me so that I can stop doing that so much. And what can I focus on? Just being myself, being present in the moment, enjoying life, connecting with people, you know, and

all the things that I've been neglecting because I've been spending all my time thinking, thinking, So we're just in the baby steps right now, but AI is really coming in at a perfect time to give us the opportunity to evolve spiritually without, in some ways, without having to answer the question that you were asking earlier, like how do I balance my spirituality with my practicality in the world? So that's the technology.

The opportunities there for the technology to step in and help us in that way.

Yeah.

taniastanly (41:19.578)
my God, do you know, I love that. I've never thought about it from that perspective. And it's true because two years back when there was this news coming out about AI and I'm still working in corporate. So my thought process was how do I stay ahead of the game in corporate because AI is coming in and then I could recently be replaced. I'm in supply chain. It could be replaced easily. then it's like, okay, then what am I used here for? How can I be of use in the corporate world?

Jeffrey Allen (41:30.144)
Yeah.

taniastanly (41:48.71)
And that's how I got, I saw people who are very intuitive and psychic, channelers, et cetera, and I got really inspired by them. And my, reason why we stepped into all this was because I wanted to compete with AI. And when you say that the material mind is shrinking, it's true because once AI came in, then any sort of email communications, this YouTube title, thumbnail, description, these kinds of things, which used to take up a lot of my time and space, gets now being delegated to AI.

Jeffrey Allen (42:00.112)
Yeah.

taniastanly (42:17.704)
So then I now focus on real relationships. I go out to meet people. Before this was not the case, I didn't really care so much about connections because it was more about showing off the material mind that I can remember these things or I can do these things. But now since AI can do it, I have to actually meet people and get in touch with their energy, be in that field. So what you said is absolutely right.

Jeffrey Allen (42:29.761)
Yeah. it's great. That's perfect. Perfect observations there. Yeah, it's and it's funny because it's going to seem like AI is the disruptive technology that's making things get crazy. But actually

things would were getting crazy already. Like they've already gotten crazy. Right. And AI is there to help. But people don't think of it like that. It's you know, it's it's addressing the disruption that's happening anyway. Technology and consciousness always co-evolved like this. You know, the tech consciousness expands a little bit in some new area. Right now, it's kind of contracting in some ways we can expand in another. And then somebody sees that it's kind of a

taniastanly (43:17.833)
Hmm.

Jeffrey Allen (43:27.863)
ahead of the game, they make a little technology to help a few early adopters jump in. It gets a little better. You know, I've seen a few of these. We, you know, we've seen the, you we went from phones being attached to the wall to being in your hand. You know, big change before you couldn't call a person. You could only call a location and maybe the person was there. Maybe not. You couldn't even leave voicemail when I was young. Just if you, if I called my friend, they weren't there. I'd just get on my bike and ride to their house and knock.

taniastanly (43:48.444)
Hmm.

taniastanly (43:53.094)
You

Jeffrey Allen (43:57.303)
Right? Like I had to go to them. had to connect, like actually connect with people. There wasn't all this virtual connection. And so this is a shift kind of like that. And I like the way you describe it too. Like you're connecting more with actual people instead of just spending a lot of time doing little stuff that honestly, you you're not a computer. The computer can do it and probably better. like just...

If we can enjoy that and be grateful, we're in good shape. That's so true. You also teach a lot about energy healing. Yeah.

taniastanly (44:31.347)
That's so true. You also teach a lot about energy healing work, right? So is there any sort of energy healing techniques that parents and families can incorporate into their daily life?

Jeffrey Allen (44:41.272)
Yeah, any techniques to use? Yeah, I would say there's so many. So the one that would kind of fit best with the times right now would be both grounding. So just like visualizing yourself being fully in your body and present. Oftentimes it feels good to imagine you're connecting your body to the planet with a beam of light or a

tree trunk or waterfall or something like this that really feels good and helps you be in the body. So that one's really important because most people are out of their body energetically most of the day thinking about the past thinking about the future somewhere else. Most of us spend a very small percentage of our time here and now in the body in the present moment which is a shame because this is where all the good stuff is. You can't take any action in this world without this

you know, present time here and now body. All the other stuff is just your imagination as wonderful as it is. So that's really important. So start to notice when you're present and not present. I think if you do that, you might be shocked at how un-present you are. Certainly I was. early, probably my early 30s, maybe late 20s, I was starting to look at where my energy was going and just starting to ask,

taniastanly (45:57.16)
You

Jeffrey Allen (46:07.83)
ask questions and tuning in and saying like, where am I? You know, I only have so much life force energy. Where am I using it right now? And at the time I was I was single, divorced and living by myself. And I was surprised even though I felt like I was on a spiritual path. It was like very clear to me that 90 percent of my energy was going to money and dating. Like

90 % of my energy on looking for money and love, physical, physical love. And I was like, that doesn't seem like, like, now that I know that I want to change, that doesn't seem like a good investment of 90 % of my energy. And so, you know, being aware of what's what that's why I said, if you don't know where you're at, you can't change.

Right. So starting to ask yourself questions like that, just from a space of joy and, and fun, and just see what answer comes in. Don't think about it. Just let yourself receive, ask a question, let yourself receive the answer. So that's, that's the first two.

taniastanly (47:21.285)
What are we losing if we, when you say 90 % you were focused on love and finances? What are we losing by focusing on love and finances? Isn't that what most people are looking for?

Jeffrey Allen (47:33.973)
Yeah, well, for me, I was looking for like, who am I? Where do I? Where do I grow? Like what? And maybe I'm being generous when I say I was looking for love. was probably sex. You know, I was in I was like out of a divorce. I was in my early 30s. I was single. So it was I was really looking for just physical things in the physical world. But inside me, I was I was even at that age noticing that.

is as fun as life is. And I think we should all enjoy the physical world, not try to get rid of it. It doesn't make you more spiritual to restrict yourself. But there's more. There's more happening more deep within us. Our spirits want more than just kind of the mechanics of the physical world. And so that's so my interest was was elsewhere, but my actions were

90 % just in the kind of the mechanics of this world. And so for me, that's why it's not that it's not that that's bad. It's that I was wanting to grow here, but I'm investing all my energy over here. Right. And you want to be careful when you get into spirituality and personal growth. Usually we. It goes back to your very first question. Usually we're seeing it from a perspective of lack.

or dualistic. we're, you know, it's very easy to say, I want to grow. So where I'm at now must be if that's good, this must be bad. Right. Or or the opposite happens. People are like, I'm I feel so good. I took this class now. I'm you know, I've been through one whole weekend of training and now I'm meditating and I'm connected. I was vegan for two days and I exercise and did yoga. I'm on the top of the world and

taniastanly (49:05.777)
Mm.

Jeffrey Allen (49:31.125)
Like, this is fantastic. So everything that happened before this weekend was bad and lame and I was a loser. I was like, that's not true. We're really harsh like that. And shockingly, I noticed at some point that we're harsh on other people like that. The more success you have with what you consider your spiritual life, the more kind of self-righteous we become. And we judge people that are doing different things.

When you notice that, you can kind of just be amused and say, okay, if I'm so spiritual, why am I also so self-righteous and judgmental? Something's not jiving here. And the answer is because my spirituality is all based on my material mind imagination of what spirituality would be like, which is very different than just breathing, being in the body and tuning into the space of love and then communicating with people and interacting from that space.

This is true. It basically was like I talk about my part in the station all the time.

taniastanly (50:29.69)
This is true. I recently was, like I talk about manifestation all the time or easing into life and about God, et cetera. Like most of my conversations are like that with everybody, regardless of if they're into it or not, this is just what I talk about. So recently one of my friends said that he manifested a pack of cigarettes. And I'm like, two spiritual people don't manifest cigarettes and weed and stuff.

So I got pissed off that he manifested these kind of things. But then I realized that, okay, maybe that's how it works for them. Because it's like when you say you've got that self-righteous thing coming up. But I realized that now that everybody manifests things or they are playing with energy and how it would work in their favor in different ways.

Jeffrey Allen (51:04.42)
Yeah, I like what you said there because that's if you want to enjoy your personal growth, you got to think of it as play.

Yeah, I'm just going to play with some energy work and see how it works. There's no spirit. The space of universal love doesn't include judgment. So that means it's OK. It's like it's OK to manifest cigarettes. It's OK to do whatever you want in this physical world as long as you're not harming people. It's great. Yeah, totally enjoy yourself. That's wonderful. And the physical world provides a really concrete way to measure whether you, you know,

you're influencing things or not. If it's all energy, people can become a little ungrounded. You also want to be tapped into the body and enjoying this world too.

taniastanly (52:14.053)
Vishen from Mindvalley talks about Jeffrey Allen who manifested the opportunities and the love of his life and you know all the wonderful things million dollar business etc and I realized that in the podcast every guest who came on my podcast had been divorced or are divorced. How did you manifest the love of your life?

Jeffrey Allen (52:37.726)
Oh, interesting. Yeah. How did I manifest Hisami? So, yeah, I was single for 10 years between marriages. at first, I actually probably this is true for most people that get divorced. At first, I was pretty down on marriage. I was like, I don't know. That's OK. This is better. I'm glad I'm out. And, you know, that's a phase that we naturally go through.

And then then manifesting had more to do with like finding a partner that I was gonna enjoy and we're gonna get along and have fun and you know, I wasn't looking for a lot of depth but pretty quickly I think everybody can get can get bored with superficial connections and it's like okay. I'm really looking for a really deep connection. I'm I am love being in relationship. I want to manifest the woman of my dreams. I want to I want to do that and

So I tried. did the things that, you know, I went places where I thought she might be, you know, I had like ideas. Sometimes, you know, people like to make lists of here's the things I want, here's the things I don't want. None of that did anything for me. Like none of that got me any results. Although I will say it did show me that I can manifest pretty much anything. Like I could, I used to, when I lived in Denver, was, it's

You know, it's one if you're ambitious and bored at the same time, you can create a lot of kind of fun havoc in your life. And so I would, you know, I was I was at point I wasn't dating anybody. And I just thought, you know, one thing I've never done is I've never dated a woman that had a lot of money. I wonder what that would be like. So within, you know, less than two days, I met somebody and started dating somebody that had a lot of money. And it's like

Okay, that was that was fun and I wonder what it'd be like to manifest somebody that you know is from this country or is from you know has this particular characteristic, you know, like and Those things would just happen. I would I would imagine it and boom within, know, very short time. I meet somebody like that and So it got really clear to me that okay manifesting isn't hard the hard part was knowing what I wanted

Jeffrey Allen (55:03.409)
So the manifesting is actually easy. We're all manifesting all the time. But if you don't like what you're manifesting, that's not because you're not a good manifester. That's because you don't have clarity on what you want. You're creating a bunch of stuff that you don't want, probably unconsciously a lot of it for most of us. So the kind of breakthrough moment with meeting Hisami was I finally was tuning in, talking to my guides. This is back when I used to meditate every morning and tune in and talk to them. And I finally said,

Yeah, help. If I knew how to manifest the relationship of my dreams, the one of my dreams, I would have done it already. I'm very good at manifesting. So obviously I have no idea what I'm doing. I know I did what I want. I give up. Please help me find that person. So that's that's that was the big breakthrough for me is I stopped trying. gave up. And then through a series of wild coincidences.

I met Hisami. I was coming to Japan to teach. I got an invitation to come here through a company called Synchronicity Japan. That was a little clue for me. the day before I was driving through Sedona where I was living at the time, I picked up a friend that was hitchhiking into town. told him I'm going to Japan. He said, I have a business card. I'm meeting somebody for lunch that you should meet when you're in Japan.

taniastanly (56:16.749)
Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen (56:33.7)
I couldn't go to lunch that day, but he gave me Hisami's friend's business card. He was having lunch with both of them. I went to Japan. I went through all my teaching and healings and all that. When all the work was done, I still had this card amazingly. And I called up and said, my friend Paul said, you we should meet for lunch. And she said, that sounds good. And then she said, I'm going to bring my friend Hisami. I was talking to Akiko, her friend.

And as soon as she said he saw me, just boom, I saw this beautiful bright light and it was just like, wow, yes, bring her. And before I even met them for lunch, I was getting all the download of the relationship we're going to have, all the opportunity that's there. I was in love with her before I ever met her, before I ever saw her, before I talked to her. I had just heard her name once from her friend that I didn't know.

taniastanly (57:08.429)
Mmm.

Jeffrey Allen (57:31.544)
And I was in love. And I was waiting outside the restaurant. You know, they're going to be coming. The escalator, my guides are telling me, you like all the stuff we're going to be doing together. And I was like, OK, can we just back up a little bit? Can I can I ask a really basic kind of dumb question? Like, I hope she's cute, right? Because I'm like, I'm basing this on nothing so far.

taniastanly (57:34.461)
Wow, that's so cute!

taniastanly (57:55.618)
I mean, imagine. I'm like.

Jeffrey Allen (57:59.345)
Can we get some of the basics out of the way? And then and then she comes up and I was like, I've never met. never seen anybody so beautiful before. I've never I didn't even know somebody this amazing could exist like that. You what I learned was the problem of making lists and trying to manifest on our own is at best I can create the life of my dreams. But when I let go of that and just let the universe.

create for me and I just flow, I can live a life better than I can imagine. I'm not limited by my imagination anymore. And that's what happened with Hisami. I met somebody I could I couldn't have even asked for Hisami. I didn't know it was possible for somebody to be like her. And yeah, in the first first two years, we're dated some we're in different countries. My analyzer was, you know, would jump in and tell me why it didn't make sense to be like, you know,

taniastanly (58:28.747)
Hmm.

Jeffrey Allen (58:56.396)
She lives in Japan. You live in the US. She doesn't speak English. You don't speak Japanese. Did you notice that? Like so, you know, kind of giving me all the reasons why this doesn't make sense. And but my heart was like, you know, it doesn't matter. Like just I know I'm in. I'm in. Just go, you know, like I can't I can't say no. There's this like train leaving the station with the love of my life on it. And, you know, the doors open. I've got 30 seconds before they close. I mean, they're going to get on the train.

taniastanly (59:02.902)
Ha ha!

Jeffrey Allen (59:25.967)
and just see where it goes, or I'm going to stand there in the platform and later wonder why didn't I get on the train? Why am I still having the same things happening that I'm, why am I still manifesting everything myself instead of letting the universe do it for me? And why am I still getting the things that I'm not really satisfied with and that don't last? you know, so for me, I was like, okay, get on the train. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but that doesn't matter.

And yeah, best decision I ever made. All the big decisions I made that were life-changing had me getting out of the way rather than me manifesting something very concretely in an organized way. Even though I'm good at doing that, even though I'm really good at doing that.

taniastanly (01:00:14.049)
I love that. No, I love that. It's true because, know, I mean, what you said is absolutely right. The manifestation thing is also like that. You manifest something, you put it all on the vision board and you get the things and then you realize, this is not what I wanted. And then after you play with manifestation and energy and all that, you get to a point where, like you met Hisami, you just flow, you surrender and you let...

Jeffrey Allen (01:00:32.227)
Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. And I should say, too, you know, it's it doesn't mean

taniastanly (01:00:42.827)
the universe picked the right thing for you. I think this last segment should just be like a podcast episode on its own, you just the last segment and we'll put all of these B-rolls of you and Hisami and then Japanese music in the back. It's beautiful.

Jeffrey Allen (01:01:01.519)
that our relationship doesn't have challenges. It just means that she's the person for me. And so I want to face life's challenges with her. I didn't manifest a challenge for your world, or I would have, you know, at the very least, I would have manifested somebody that spoke the same language, right? Because that's that is a huge challenge. 15 years in, we still neither of us are fluent in the other person's language. It's ridiculous, you know.

taniastanly (01:01:24.394)
Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen (01:01:31.598)
but we're both fluent in love and energy. And so that makes up the difference.

taniastanly (01:01:38.152)
I love that. love that. Jeffrey, this has been such a wonderful conversation. I had so much fun speaking to you. Can you tell us more about, I mean, I think we spoke about the work, but can you tell us more about where we can find you and the wonderful work that you do?

Jeffrey Allen (01:01:52.248)
Yeah, you bet. would say, you know, based on what we talked about today, I just go to spiritmind.com and then you can see, know, Hisami and I made a whole training. Basically, it's what she'd been teaching in Japan for many years. So really simplifying spirituality, taking out all the kind of the needless stuff, the ritual, the like dogma, all the stuff that we don't

necessarily love and just, you know, taking that all away and saying what's what's left? What can everybody benefit from? What's what's universally true? And then giving you kind of a step by step way of getting through that and learning how to do what we just said, learning how to take your material mind. It's OK that it's shrinking right now. It's actually good things. I want it to come over here. I want it to come inside spirit mind so that it can start to expand again.

And then I can have all of it. I can have my spirituality and I can have my physical life without struggle and guilt. it's kind of getting off the hard road and onto the easy road, if you will. So it's a beautiful, it's a great training. yeah, Nisami and I really, really great together because we are so different. So it's a great combination. People are loving it.

taniastanly (01:03:17.514)
Yeah, I love that too because I saw on the website as well some of the videos and it's very simple like you said it's not with the dogma or these over complicated terminologies it's just very very simple and beautifully explained. We would put I'll put the link that you mentioned as well in the description too so that our listeners can go and get the course and I think it's worth investing in. Thank you so much Jeffrey for coming on the podcast. I'll speak to you again.

Jeffrey Allen (01:03:42.234)
Yeah, thank you. That was fun. Okay.

taniastanly (01:03:47.242)
Bye.