#20 Man died and saw simulation!

Tania (00:01.399)

Okay, fine. Cool. So let it record because otherwise I always forget recording. But now let me see. You just try talking. How are you? Hi, can I hear?

Salvador (00:10.146)

Very good, thank you. Yeah, I can hear you really well, but I know my laptop has been falling on the floor too many times, so...

Tania (00:13.0)

You can hear me.

Tania (00:21.288)

I think we can try to increase the volume from the... While editing, we can probably try to increase the volume. Okay, so that's fine. I'll just let you know, so this is a Riverside app that we're using. So it's going to record it from your side. It's going to record from my end as well. So while we're doing the recording, in case you see the screen getting stuck, just don't panic, it's fine.

Salvador (00:29.088)

Okay, great.

Tania (00:49.75)

Still going to continue recording. Just follow my voice that time. Okay. And let me see what else. Okay. So you can see that it's recording on the side. Like there's a certain percentage that's getting uploaded 70 % for you and then 83 % for me.

Salvador (00:54.348)

Okay.

Tania (01:08.382)

on the right side.

Salvador (01:10.71)

Yes.

Tania (01:11.762)

Okay, fine. So once we are done too, just stay back so that it will finish uploading the whole thing. Okay, then yeah, I guess that's pretty much it. yeah, is there, do you have any, like if we do cross the time, is it okay with

Salvador (01:18.688)

Okay.

Salvador (01:33.154)

Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, it's been a while. We booked this a while ago.

Tania (01:34.596)

okay, cool. Perfect. Okay, fine. Yeah, we did. We did. I don't do podcasting full time, so I'm working as well, which is why I've got to do it only during the weekends. And then, yeah, and then I have to have this studio. So like I have to be in this space and like there's a lot of things. So maybe this is the divine timing. Yeah.

Salvador (02:01.422)

Yeah, there's no rush, it's what happens.

Tania (02:04.776)

Yeah, there's no rush. Okay, so I'm just gonna start and we could. So what we'll do, I'm just gonna say, you know, to the welcome to the podcast and all of that. Then we will start with what was your life like before the NDE? Then how was the NDE? What was the after the NDE and all of that. Yeah, I'm so excited to actually speak to you. It's been a while, like you said. Yeah, so it's good.

Salvador (02:24.086)

Awesome.

Salvador (02:31.999)

I don't know if we had to reschedule or not because I was in the middle of so many things and I remembered you couldn't and I had an exam which I finished and I passed everything I finished school and I passed everywhere it was great I was so stressed and you were also busy going through some time we said okay but definitely in August by that by that time we definitely can talk and yeah here we are

Tania (02:43.086)

Wow! That's good! That's amazing!

Tania (02:55.414)

Yeah, it's fine. It's good. It's good. It's very beautiful. I'm glad you passed, by the way. Good job. I'm just going to start. All right. So today we have a very special guest. have Salvador on the show. Welcome to the Celeste of All podcast, Salvador.

Salvador (03:14.648)

Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's a great pleasure to be here. Very excited.

Tania (03:17.046)

I'm very excited about speaking with you. Like we said, we had been trying to reschedule this for so many times. So finally it's happening. And I'm so excited for the audience as well to listen to your story. So let's start. What was it like for you? Now the NDE is the big thing, right? So what was it like before the NDE happened? Who was Sal before this major event?

Salvador (03:44.266)

of was the distracted kid, the kid that nobody ever knows where he was. He could be here, then he could disappear and people didn't know where it was. I would probably be up a tree or chasing some rabbits or just involved in nature.

Very curious, very spaced out, you know those kids that people think they live somewhere else. That was me. Very easily entertained just with things, just nature and life, just very distracted. And as I grew up, I followed arts because I was good with it, I was happy with it.

Then I got into my questioning of existence and it just didn't make sense at the time that it couldn't be just this. You know, I could see from society way of living and I was always looking up and wondering what's behind that. Okay, we see the stars. Okay, we know it's profound, but...

where is all this? what's holding all this volume somewhere? what it's got to be a bag something it's got to be a so I was that kid very very inquisitive about the nature of reality the nature of okay we're here and now what? okay we need to study we need to get a job okay we need to do all that but you know

that was part of me that knew there was something bigger than this, that this was not everything. Get a job, build a family, yeah, great, but... And then...

Tania (05:40.607)

I'm

Tania (05:44.858)

And what was your upbringing like? Did you follow any sort of like, did you go to church? How are your parents? Do you believe in spirituality or what was that? What were your beliefs

Salvador (05:57.122)

Well, we were raised Catholic. I'm actually at my mom's house. came visiting my mom. And we had the religious upbringing Catholic. Portugal is a country, very Catholic country for many, many years. So church every Sunday. Then I did go to school that was Catholic school. And I was not on intern. I was not there full time, but we would go every morning.

And then I did some choir boy, I was a choir boy for a while. Nothing too extreme, again, it was part of what we were told what to do. Today you're gonna go there, okay. And today we're gonna sing, okay. And today we're gonna go here, so all right. So I'm, I...

I didn't find difficulty in things by themselves or in following direction or being obedient or following the teachings. But at the same time, I never took them too serious. Because again, part of it, part of it, you already know that story, you know, what everybody went on a boat and all the animals. So there's some stories you grew up with. Okay, I get the message. I see what you're telling me behind it.

Tania (07:08.182)

That's right.

Salvador (07:16.812)

So fine, I'll take it. You know, it's just like reading cartoons, reading a comic book or something. I get it. I get the message. And so, so and then my name Salvador is is another word in these countries in Portuguese and I think Italian and Spanish and it's the other word for Jesus.

Tania (07:42.33)

is it?

Salvador (07:43.626)

It's because Jesus, it was taken as the savior according to religion. It was a savior or it was something like that. So it also mentioned many times as Salvador, Salvador, you know, because. so so. Part of me, well, I was growing up and going to and during the mass, the services, they mentioned Salvador quite a lot of times referring to Christ, which usually would be the time when I was like, what did somebody said my name?

Tania (07:55.316)

The Savior.

Tania (08:12.31)

every time.

Salvador (08:14.026)

I wasn't paying attention, I was looking at the roof ceiling and thinking about stuff and what am I going to do. But no, just being a kid.

Tania (08:22.698)

They say that we pick our name before we incarnate, right? So you definitely picked

Salvador (08:29.364)

Yeah. So yeah, was, but then it's my, I think in my early teens, then I disconnected from it. You know, I was going to church whenever I wanted, not every time my parents would say. And then I would go to, because there would be already a network and people that I know I'll find there and we have a good time and we chat and you know, regardless of the religion.

Tania (08:33.248)

So

Salvador (08:54.018)

the feeling of meeting with a group of people because they believe in something greater brings a very nice atmosphere, brings a very nice spiritual essence of... Well, knowing today that... Yes, yes, knowing today that the origin was the same for everyone and then all religions went on a different script.

Tania (09:09.568)

community.

Yeah.

Tania (09:21.108)

Yeah, agree. Yeah, true. True. think going to church and all of those rituals and going with the family, like every Sunday you go, you guys get ready. I get screamed at by my mom for being late. So it's like this fun childhood things, which then when we reach a certain age, we're like, no, we're not going. We are into spirituality. I'm into meditation. So then, you know, mom would go alone.

Salvador (09:22.441)

But the bass is good. Yeah.

Tania (09:49.268)

And it's different, but childhood is always church and everything is just beautiful. So I agree. What were those events that led up to the NDE? Because your childhood seems like a nice, quiet, calm, beautiful childhood. What changed? When did things go downhill?

Salvador (10:16.974)

So the curiosity was always there. Then it was when I stopped going to church, then it was aliens. I think it changed from spirituality, because then you go through that phase like, this this story, this is probably BS. It's got to be the aliens. Yeah, it's got to be aliens. This is a story the aliens gave us. So then I had that phase again. And then I did have some incidents where I saw

Tania (10:32.938)

Mmm.

Salvador (10:45.342)

we would gather up a mountain and a group of friends there we saw some lights in a way that we we could not explain but if all of us saw it and all of us like were like wow I guess this is something huge but and then I started having some happy episodes where people that would pass away

Tania (10:58.592)

Hmm.

Salvador (11:13.882)

I would receive them, they would come to me in public. They were not direct closest family, but they were like a second degree of closeness. And some other time they were not at all, they were just family of a friend. And then another time was a direct aunt, sister of my mom and they...

we're in public and they come to me in a way that just come through the crowds, the usual ghost like image of just a light body coming through with their face and they're smiling and radiating a lot of energy and love and they would come to me and there would be a download and then they would disappear. And I would feel them and I'll be like, wow, did you see this? And they're like, no, I didn't see anything. I said, wow.

Tania (12:02.612)

Wow, really?

Salvador (12:02.744)

I would get the message and then later I started sharing the messages that I got. Then I got into my late teens and started doing a lot of drugs because they were fun and we were exploring the mind and the universe and just in the name of science. We were doing drugs in name of science.

Tania (12:24.03)

No, right. Yeah. You know, when you said that, I've also seen, I've read somewhere as well. I don't know if this is true or not, but Yeshua used to do psychedelics and, you know, I've heard like that kind of a thing as well. So I'm not sure how, what that is, but yeah, happens.

Salvador (12:42.582)

Yeah, yeah, it's been all the time. It's part of it. We have carrots, have tomatoes and we have psychedelics, you know, all of it, all of it that is dysfunction.

Tania (12:52.758)

Okay. All of it. Yeah, you could be neutral about everything. don't know much. So how were your experiences? Like, how did you even get into psychedelics and what did you see?

Salvador (13:07.326)

was a calling, I a calling I started investigating through because I was just by looking at society I was not conformed with it I was like this is nuts people are not happy in general

And then I got a calling about the 60s because of all the LSD and the peace and love movement and the power, flower power and all that. I investigated a lot into it and they had at the core very, very, very important messages. So then I just went to, got to do this. I got to try LSD. I got to see what this is all about because these people are speaking important stuff.

And then that was it. And then I just, it is a phenomenal experience. The psychedelic experience is very, very interesting. And it's endless. You can, however, do it once and take anything that you need to then move on with your life. But I was just, I guess, too curious or too attracted to it. So I did it for many years.

then it led to drug addiction to different kind of drugs, hard drugs, because it always happens. And then I went to rehab, got myself cleaned up. I was not interested in drugs anymore and started my life. And then four years later, that's when I had my NDE.

Tania (14:39.016)

So you were talking about how before the NDE, you were going through real financial issues. You were going through real depression. Why did that happen? Or how did that happen? Do you think you could have changed something? Can you tell us more about those events?

Salvador (14:57.158)

Yeah, but the funny thing is the financial part always got fixed one way or the other. Then I found out early too that the financial restrictions that we have have to do with our emotional restrictions because there's always work somewhere. There's always money and there's a solution, a practical solution. led to it's just, I know that there's a lot of work. Would I say Dubai? I did go to Dubai after work. I did go

work in Dubai for a while. But let's say that we hear, no, there's a lot of, need people to work somewhere else. So there are solutions for jobs. It's just how much we allow ourselves or how much we believe that we can leave our country or can I leave my background or can I, can I do it? Can I go to China to work? Can I go to Japan? Can I go where money is? So the practical side of finance has always got sorted. Looking back.

The depression was an conflict. It was an emotional conflict that left my depression.

Tania (16:02.742)

Can you explain what the emotional conflict was?

Salvador (16:06.444)

Yes. I've had a disagreement with my father at the time. And I felt...

Salvador (16:25.688)

felt huge sadness of the whole result of the situation was was a huge sadness and when you sober when you're in recovery you don't go to drugs or alcohol to I need a drink because this day was horrible I need a drink that doesn't exist anymore you deal with things now you say okay I'm sad why am I sad okay whatever done wrong

You work it, you write it down, you analyze your emotions, you recognize where you cross the line, then you make a list of the people that you must face and apologize and say, I'm sorry. I don't know, I'm sorry, but in an honest way. there's a whole, there's a lot of theoretical, recovery, it's a huge therapy. It's serious therapy.

Tania (17:18.954)

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But congrats to you. mean, it's a lot of courage for you to be able to get out of it, right? I know how difficult that is. I brought some guests as well who've come on to the show and it's so difficult for them to go there and get out of it. Like you keep going in and out of it. So the fact that you got out of it and even when you're going through all of that pain and the conflict with your dad.

The fact that you did not resort to those things again to deal with the pain, that's a big deal. That's absolutely amazing.

Salvador (17:55.604)

Yeah, well, it led me to a point where I consciously said to myself, to live like this, I'd die. That's how depressed I was. So courage or not. But again, it led me to my NDE and the NDE was the best thing that ever happened to me. knowing what I know today, because it's been a while and I've been doing a lot of other work.

Tania (18:06.557)

Hmm.

Salvador (18:25.716)

I know that I did what I needed to do to be where I am today. We know what we want and we can make it happen. And sometimes the way it happens, the way that life makes it happen around us, it's things that we get surprised and or offended or shocked or depressed. But the fact is that everything starts with us. As soon as I had my NDE, I...

I understood that I don't blame anyone. This is a game and this is fun. is... It's just a mirror. Everything is just a mirror. Everything around me is just a mirror of myself. And the same goes for you. And the same goes for everyone. And that was one of the biggest... Yeah, sorry. One of the biggest shocks of the end. That was it. That was...

Tania (19:15.732)

No, yeah.

Hmm. So what was it like, like on the day of that ND, what were you doing? How, what happened on that

Salvador (19:27.022)

I was actually here. And yeah, I was 27, I'm 47, it was 20 years ago. The first one. I did have another ND two and a half, three years ago. I ended up having another one, yes.

Tania (19:29.136)

beautiful.

Tania (19:44.266)

Wow, you did not listen to the lessons in the first one. What happened?

Salvador (19:48.462)

I did for 19 years, I did for 19 years and then on the last year I was like what if, what if I could do this and would be different and we will jump into that but the entity that I channeled through immediately comes and like you know that's bullshit right like it was literally you know that that was the

pulling me into clarity, it's like saying, don't go there, you know what happens if you go there. You know better, was literally dying, know better, who are you trying to fool?

Tania (20:27.914)

We'll talk about that. Let's talk about the first one and I'm excited about the second one. So second one must be a little bit more profound with harder lessons. So let's talk about the first one.

Salvador (20:37.454)

Different message, Different. The first one, and then I was, so I was here, I was with my cousins. And we were riding motorcycle, had bought a dirt bike, because this is in the woods, so we were playing with dirt bikes and riding dirt bikes, and then I felt bad. And I told them, listen, I'm gonna go away, I'm gonna put my bike in the garage and I'm gonna go home.

So I took my motorcycle and as I stopped and opened the gates to put it inside I just literally I feel the heart just clenches, it just clenches because it stops, the heart stops there's no more blood circulating and it's so funny how

we ignore most of the times we just take it for granted and we ignore the fact that this is little pump in here small pump just pumping pumping pumping pumping every time and that's what makes this body works and the pump stops your conscious is the same but your body stops and shuts down

I just go BAM with my nose on the floor. can see the nose coming to me. I can see the floor, the floor coming to my nose. I can see everything and I know it hurts, but it doesn't hurt. The pain on the heart is just excruciating. I cannot breathe. I'm like, and yeah. And then I understood there was something serious going on. I tried to get up and I fall again.

and then I just roll over to outside the garage and I just I'm like okay I'm dying

Tania (22:26.804)

okay.

Tania (22:32.97)

And then did you see that's it, then how did you get out of it? Like did you get any?

Salvador (22:37.339)

no no, the

Salvador (22:42.934)

I started understanding that again, we are so much more than this. We're so much more than this.

Tania (22:53.44)

this.

Salvador (22:57.132)

part that it hurts in this case, it's on my chest hurts and it's in pain and my body's not responding. I cannot even blink my eyes cannot move a finger. You realize how your consciousness gives orders to your body every day, every second of the day, every minute. And now you realize that like something's wrong. I'm giving the orders and nothing works. And but at same time, I'm conscious. Like if my body is just but I'm still well aware. And then you realize that you can

pull aside a little bit from the body and it doesn't hurt but you understand that your voice, your consciousness is actually your soul, let's call it your soul and or spirit or your consciousness they go together into a certain distance and

And then the body doesn't hurt because you separate from the body, you dissociate from the body, but then you're like, but that's me. I don't want to leave my body. That's, that's me. And then you come back to it hurts. And then you're like, no, it hurts so much. I'm going to dissociate. Cause then you slowly start clicking. The gears start working that you, my body's broken, but I'm not that. So you start realizing that you fly, that you can go, that you, you still exist. Even if your body doesn't, it's broken down there and you still exist the

voice the same and then I start moving into in that stage when I dissociate

And I see that everything is made of the same thing. Everything is molecules. The trees, you can see the life on the tree, how much the tree has life in it. no, electric molecules, a current of energy just going up and down all the time. But it looks still, the tree, when you focus, if I come back to my body, the tree is a tree. But as soon as you go to that state, you see that everything, the floor is alive. A brick wall is

Salvador (24:57.893)

everything is like you can see that the air between me and the laptop that now it looks empty you can see that it's not empty you can see that the molecules that make it you can see that everything is made of some kind of energy some kind of molecule some kind of

life, kind of existence, some molecules. It's still hard to explain to this day.

Tania (25:25.194)

Yeah, I can understand. Is it like, you know, when Betty came on the show, she was talking about how it looked like these, like the blueprint, like the matrix. So she also had this sort of out of body experience. And she said that she saw through the matrix and everything came alive. And it's very difficult, you know, I know everyone tries to explain

There's so many different versions of how they try to explain. Someone else also said that the walls were alive. it's, you know, just for someone like me, who is like so logical, it is very difficult to imagine what that would be like. But I'm guessing it's probably like, like sometimes you see that when they go through these, I think in the Matrix movie, you when they go through it, there's this green and black coding and everything that pops up. Everything is just like code. Is it like

Salvador (26:19.618)

Yeah, but instead of numbers, in my case at least, it's an electric current that is correct and then it's molecules and atoms and you see that the way they're mixed gives them a color and a consistency and a vibration and the way and something lighter in density, it's a different, it changes light and but you see it's all the same just compressed in different ways but it's all alive and everything is alive.

which we will get to that part that how, which for me was probably the most significant part, understanding the power that your thoughts has over that current, that electric current, how understanding how thought is not that commands, but shapes and thought can...

work that matter because thought grabs it and moves it and gives an order it's a tool it's an ability it's the way it's built but before we get to that still on the floor i'm i i quit i i i realize okay this must be what it is dying

but I'm not dying, so this must be it. And at that time, just tears left my body because I think the body goes into shutdown, stops working and it's like tears come out. I accept that I'm dying.

I wanted to call people and I couldn't. In meantime, my cousin that was also in the motorcycle, he passes through the garage and he doesn't see me on the floor. And I'm thinking, I hear the bike and I says, I'm going to wave my arm to him so that he can see that I'm on the floor. And my arm doesn't get up and I'm like, lift your arm and wave and the body doesn't move. And like, just wave, wave and like, so they, yeah.

Tania (28:18.858)

Yeah, obvious.

Tania (28:28.894)

shoot.

Salvador (28:31.01)

And I feel that goes my only chance because nobody else is going to see me here. And I accept and from the moment that I accept and I go to the place where it doesn't hurt, which is where I'm just, just spirit, just, it's the start. starts the best feeling, the relief, the radiating state of.

just being did you feel so good and I I start moving and I start questioning myself to say it doesn't feel strange it feels like you've been there before but you don't remember but you think you remember it's like sounds it feels familiar but I don't remember but it feels familiar so as you start going and

I'm questioning myself, so where am I going now?

what can I do? You know, all these questions, where am I going? What can I do? Where is this? And I start dissociating and I see as I leave the body, I also leave the planet. And the way I saw the trees and my body and the sand as organic matter, I start seeing the planet as the same composition as a compressed molecule mixture of things. And then

Tania (29:58.463)

Yeah,

Salvador (30:01.87)

I leave it to the point when the planet was that small so far away, minimal. That's when I look to the other side and I'm like, okay, so where am I going? And I see another light very, very, far. It's like, okay, I'm going there.

Tania (30:06.908)

Mm -hmm.

Salvador (30:17.646)

And by now I'm excited already, it's fun because you feel so amazing and you feel so alive, you're like... and you're flying and your mind controls where you go. Okay, and then I'm gonna go there and there I go. This is a dark section, it's all very very black. Which gives the effect of the light at the end of the tunnel that many people describe.

that's the effect that it gives that it's a tunnel and the light is over there but it's not it's not a tunnel it's just the speed that we go through the blackness that seems makes the effect of a tunnel and then i get there to that it's like it's brightest light just

Tania (30:54.347)

Mmm.

Salvador (31:11.342)

trying to find the words again and I've spoken about this so many times and each time I try to find a better word but they don't exist yet

Tania (31:19.096)

We don't have those, our language doesn't have the right kind of words for it, but we'll try.

Salvador (31:27.227)

It's an ecstasy of existence, it's the ecstasy of being. It's the pure love of the essence of living, it's life, it's a pure essence of life. Clean, because it's clean, because there's nothing in it, it's just life, just like a source of light.

Salvador (31:51.782)

And then it gains a shape. Then you understand how this works. You understand this is my thinking, my subconscious mind going, who is this? Because I can feel it's talking to me. I feel its essence. I feel its signature, like the personality. I can feel that that being is different than me, but it's the same. We're the same, but we're different. We're made of the same thing, but we have a different...

knowledge, a different experience, a different origin or a different, I wouldn't say origin, a different experience.

Tania (32:29.184)

Does it feel like you met your parent? Like, does it feel like you came home and you met your mom or your dad? Does it feel like

Salvador (32:39.224)

Home, But imagine meeting the creator of many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many generations before. Like many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, You know, you can call it a parent because you know, you at the same time, you understand the system of...

of a light being that grows to a point that then can have another ramification that grows by itself and this one keeps growing with the growth of the other one and then the other one can have descendants and descendants just like humans have a family tree and descendants and grandparents and grandkids and grand grand grandkids and great great great great great like the same way that when you evolve to a certain point you're a mom and then your daughter evolves to a stage that she will be a mom and so on and on and on and on you see that

existence at the soul level, let's put it that way, in a spiritual essence and my understanding of that entity that I was facing it was ancient, ancient, ancient was far in that descendancy was but at the same time I know that she's not

First, let's put it that way, I know I didn't the center of the center of the center of the center of the beginning of the beginning of everything, conscience wise, because you understand it's consciousness. You understand, you understand that consciousness that permeates that entity, it's the same that permeates mine. We communicate through the consciousness.

but our souls or our spirits ramifications at what stage are we born or not born, they're different. There is a...

Salvador (34:32.45)

birth of expansion in a way but we're all coming from the same it's like i met an old old old old

Salvador (34:45.879)

And I know that that's not the first because I feel him connecting with the other one if this makes sense. It's like the same way I'm talking to this entity talking and asking and receiving and understanding and getting the explanations. I know that he responds to someone else bigger and more ancient to put time into it.

Tania (34:56.404)

Hmm.

Salvador (35:13.088)

so you have the clear vision of the mechanism in creation or in existence it's but then again

Tania (35:26.056)

It's like you saw yourself, you as an atom or something, probably the deepest part of you, like who you are, the essence of who you are. Is that what it felt like?

Tania (35:44.832)

Hmm. Did it scare you or what? What did it make you feel when you saw the essence of who you are instead of all those ego centric layers that you had? What did it feel like?

Salvador (36:01.602)

Relieved, happy, excited, good to be back. How could I forget this? Relieved mostly, so happy, so satisfied. It's like, none of it matters. The only thing that matters, let's call it about this, my last incarnation or living as Salvador until that moment.

The only thing that mattered was how many times I was in full joyous existence honoring myself as a light being, a spirit, as a source, as a soul, as a creator.

those moments of my life that I honored it and I allowed it to happen, allowed the magic to happen, believing in magic, believing in possibility, believing in imagination and desire and allowing it and leave that excitement of pure idea, desire, possibility.

that machinery that it's magic, it's not magic, then you understand why that consciousness manipulates physical matter. And then there was another explanation on how then you see the mechanism, how the energy molds physical matter.

So it was relieved, it was so good and it was the excitement again because I was like, so then what happened here? What happened there and why this and why that? And that entity starts replying and I get the live review. I got a very, very nice live review.

Tania (37:42.954)

What was it like? What did you see in your life review?

Salvador (37:46.126)

It was literally like a slideshow. Since being born, movie passing through, growing up, like a time lapse of my life. And literally, I saw the light being that I am, that I light being that I am now.

and part of it going to the baby and coming and taking over and then the baby being but the light being you see the connection the chain that unifies every human being with that source of energy from the other side so you see how it's like physical matter but when the soul comes in that's when things start and

Tania (38:18.581)

Hmm.

Salvador (38:29.344)

and it goes and then when we supposedly die just that same wire of soul just comes back to the big soul that we all are it's like going back to that bigger soul and i understand that that i'm it this is funny and it's not complicated but it's sometimes weird to explain but

Tania (38:38.795)

Hmm.

Salvador (38:53.442)

when you reconnect to the whole that you are and you feel it's like you feel all your other experiences on the planet it's like you feel you get the knowledge of all the experiences let's call it reincarnation or incarnation or parallel realities or your concurrent soul extensions that are living

Tania (39:10.356)

Hmm.

Salvador (39:22.784)

and you feel them all at once and you feel everything and you're like so you feel complete you feel relieved you feel complete relaxed you feel amazing but you also find out that there's no such thing as stopping there's no stopping there's no okay I'll stay here for a while no because it's expanding it's growing it's alive it's it's it's a current it's

So you have curiosity again, at least in my case, this was my experience.

Tania (39:55.53)

You know what this reminds me of? Like when you explain this, when I'm on Instagram, right, or on social media, every time I try to be someone else, right? So it's like, this is me, but let's say five years back, I wanted to try to be what it would be like to be a makeup artist, let's say. So then you go deep down that rabbit hole of learning about makeup.

posting, doing that, you you try to be someone else like a makeup artist. And then you go so deep and then you realize that I'm actually not a makeup artist and who am I? And then you come back again and then you realize I'm probably not that. Then you try to get into something else like let's say a coach, okay, like a marketing, digital marketing coach. So then I'm going down that other sort of thing when I'm learning about digital marketing. I'm getting so into that thing

digital marketing, I'm doing courses, I'm getting certifications, I'm posting about it, doing it. And then I go so deep and then I realize that I'm probably not that. And then I come back and I feel relieved again. And you keep having all of these experiences. Right now it's like a podcasting thing. And then you come back and you feel, I'm just everything, probably. What do you think?

Salvador (41:19.084)

You can view whatever you want.

It's exactly that. You can be whatever you want and that's the beauty and that's the gift and that's why we should just be grateful just to be here. Every human being should just be grateful just to be here because if you made it here it's because you got given the tool set of go and play, be whatever you want to be. You don't have to be it forever. You can change your mind whenever you want. Just go be because as you were describing it you grew from each experience and it's the same at a different scale on the other side where there's no physical matter.

Tania (41:21.076)

Yeah.

Salvador (41:50.774)

It grows with our experience here. It grows. It's like some things come back with you, some things don't. Some things are just mundane and it's part of the game, it's part of the agreement. It's part of

the game. It's like if you want to play Monopoly, there's a few rules. When you fight, you have emotions and you have laughs and you pay and you don't pay and somebody fails and somebody wins. But at the end of the day, you get out of the game. And as you said, you're like, that was fun. Okay. What am going to do now? It's, it's okay.

Tania (42:22.804)

You always learn something to it, you don't regret it. It's like, okay, even if it's at that point of time, even if it was like trying makeup artist, well, at least I learned how to do makeup. If it's digital marketing, at least I learned how to send out emails, right? Then you come back and...

You know, it's just, okay, good experience. But does it mean that, okay, come back and I'm like, fine, now I can do nothing. No, now I want to be someone else.

Salvador (42:48.822)

it's the process right? I think the excitement that comes it's the process, the excitement of I want to do that I want to try that I want to be an astronaut I want to see that that looks fun I want to try that. The process of something that we don't know nothing about investigating growing growing growing and then doing it

it keeps us excited and that's the moments where we also light up and that's the moments that the system on the other side expands anytime we're feeling excitement or joy or or pure love through meditation through doing things that we feel like it's be it gardening or painting or the excitement of following something out of excitement yeah i'm gonna be a makeup artist

You didn't choose it because you thought it was going to be painful. You chose it because you thought it was to be fun.

Tania (43:41.769)

Yeah! Absolutely! Yes!

Salvador (43:45.248)

Right? I'm going to choose that. No, because it's fun and excited. You light up, your energy levels change, and the thing hardest to explain these days to people that many people don't believe. When you go through that, when you're doing what excites you, you don't notice because you take it for granted. But physical reality around you changes. Everything changes. Everything.

it's like a different layer of existence it's like you choose to be at this level of operation you the world is like this you want to be excited the world is like this it's it's mind of a matter

Tania (44:13.11)

True.

Tania (44:27.594)

Yeah, it's like, you know, like when, when it's like when I wanted to do digital marketing, I was surrounded by digital marketers. Right. So everything changed when I'm doing the podcasting. Now I'm surrounded by podcasters and amazing guests. Do you think it you do you think it's just God who is now trying to play what it is like to be Sal and what it's like to be Tanya. And then when both of us go back there, we are like,

Okay, that was fun. That was a good experience. Now I want to be someone else. Because when I asked you what did it feel like to meet that being, I thought you would feel like meeting your father because it's like maybe you're like, you know, like, finally to the creator. But no, you said it felt like just me meeting yourself. Yeah.

Salvador (45:18.754)

You're meeting yourself. You meet yourself. You meet yourself. And the best way that I find to explain is imagine that you, as you described, imagine you want to be a podcaster, but you also want to be a... First you understand that you are. You are.

Let say you realize I can also be an artist and I can also be an interviewer and I can also be interviewed and I can also be a designer and I can also be an astronaut or a firefighter or a race driver or I want to be a nomad, I want to explore the planet, I want to be a sailor. The truth is you can, this going back to that point, what if you could...

multiply yourself and make a copy of yourself like right now just like now there's two solvators it's okay you're gonna go be the makeup artist and I'm gonna be the and then but we need another one because I also want and at the same time we know that I am me and we are all me and we're all one and we all feel what the other one is feeling and but we are learning and being different so it's like you multiply yourself finding out

what you can do you find out that you subdivide yourself how far can I go? what can I do? and because again this planet the earth planet is like a game center where you created it for that purpose this is not a prison this is not a punishment this is entertainment this is a playground

Tania (47:04.586)

the video

Salvador (47:07.086)

It's a bit... yeah, could call it a video game. I rather... Yeah, let's call it a video game. But it's created and the rules have been agreed before.

and the rules have been defined. The rules meaning there will be sand, water, fire, gravity, and it will be suspended. We need a sunlight, stations and put more planets in it, because those planets also make the electromagnetic equilibrium of everything being in place to spin it. So you get an understanding of everything, what it's needed.

Tania (47:48.66)

You know, when you said that, when you said rule of the game, right, in the Course in Miracles, it says that there's only one rule in the game, which is time, which means that it will end. That's the only rule. That all of this would end, which is why there's every single one of us would die at one point. Like the illusion would end and then you will go back. That is probably what do you think about that when you say

Salvador (48:17.016)

don't like the word obviously I don't like the word dying

Tania (48:20.403)

Yeah, because you already died and had too many experiences. Okay.

Salvador (48:26.483)

The meaning of we give to the word dying doesn't exist.

Because then I give the example of the cinema. Then I think the cinema effect, because for example, I love cinema. I'm passionate about cinema. When I go to the movie theater, I really switch off and I really get, if the movie is good, right? And I really get inside the story and I feel it and the things that you think and how you're going to fix it and what's going to happen now. I really live it. It's like I'm one of the characters that I chose to support or be or who identify with, who I feel I've been in that position.

and I live it I love it my I'm fully committed to that picture on the cinema there's nothing else my life my existence stopped right now I am that movie at the end I'll come out and I'll go home again well I say well that was such an experience I would say wow this movie was great

more like it the process of coming to the planet yes the time the in that sense that when you choose to come you know you will go back home so yeah the time frame i totally get it but i prefer this analogy well the way i

I felt it. It's more like this. It's like we come here as many times as we want and it's like going to the cinema. Who character, which character you're going to be like an actor you can play the rich, the poor, the men, the woman, the good, the bad, even if good and bad only exists inside the game. It's another of the conditions of this duality. Hot cold in and out, up down. That's the construction of this thing that consciousness created.

Salvador (50:09.044)

to come and explore another way of existing. Let's try to exist as human beings. What are humans? I have an idea that's gonna give them a body like this and it's gonna be like that and then it's gonna give them the plague. It's a set. It's a set for a plague. But the plague that keeps going and it keeps expanding, it keeps evolving, keeps finding out what can I do with this?

but it's existence and then to the core you go back to the beginning. You're part of the same initial consciousness, if that makes sense. But yeah, the time factor is... But I see it as a positive, because now I saw it, that you come knowing that you will go out. So it's not something sad and death...

as a connotation to it of sadness and ending and heavy something really dramatic drastic and it's not it's it's a relief it's fun it's it's such a joy when you transition to the other side it's such a the best release it's like this body is too small for how big you are

Tania (51:03.872)

Yeah.

Tania (51:16.34)

Hmm. Hmm.

Salvador (51:18.04)

So when you leave it, you're like, that was great. How was that? It's it's exciting. It's it's good. It's beautiful.

Tania (51:29.374)

It's like wearing those skinny jeans. You finally come back home and you can just like remove it and like, thank God. That's what it feels like. Sounds good. And what was it like when and then at what point did you decide to come back and wear those skinny jeans again?

Salvador (51:41.528)

That must be it, yeah.

Salvador (51:53.771)

Understanding my powers.

understanding how my thoughts were creating my reality, understanding the mechanism of thought of a matter, mind of a matter, where spirit is in it, where essence of the soul is in it, where all these components make the human experience and realizing that I was using probably 3 % of my... No, I was using a lot of my creative abilities because I was creating my reality, but I wasn't aware.

of how I could change it like this and being charged completely of my experience and understanding the mechanism, mind of a matter, soul, desire, spirits, all these principle things that creates my physical experience. That being, because on the other side you just, you are, you be.

And being is amazing, being alive, because that's alive, being on the other side, that's being alive, you're you're fully alive. And it feels pure, it feels amazing, it's like this unconditional love that even the words are not enough to reach the feeling of life itself, it's just like this vibration of... And that you can bring that...

with you. don't need to stop being that. You can carry more of that at least, because then you're going to be human. You're going to get distracted. But you can be more of that. You can be more of your true essence in here. And understanding that it's okay to have fun. It's okay to come and have a blast. It's okay to come

Salvador (54:15.008)

you're going to be appreciation that appreciating of the existence appreciating the magnificence of existence because when we stop to think about that to appreciate what existence is and how good it feels and how fun it is and that I don't know nothing about it except that it feels great if I let it if I just focus on what it is to exist

I know nothing about it, but it's freaking great. Cause I'm here and I know this will end the same as the movie theater. know that the cinema will end at some point, but I know it doesn't matter because I'm going to go home and I can put another movie or I can take my tight shoes or my tight jeans or

Tania (54:58.806)

Yeah.

That's right. It's a good way to say that. It's like it's beautiful when you say that. It's like you went there and you realized that this was just a game and probably I could have had I could have brought more of my fun self and then go and enjoy it when you know that, you know, you're to come back home anyway. So why do I have to watch this movie feeling so depressed and thinking about

useless things. Why not be so present at the movie?

Salvador (55:36.984)

there's many reasons to that I put it to them well then you have the narrative and you have the power of speech the power of thoughts again thoughts are very powerful they shape our reality they literally shape our reality thoughts shape our planet thoughts shape

the level, the amount of fish we have in the ocean. Thoughts, it's not the other way around. Thoughts create how much fires we have, how many wars we have, how many water or not water, how many happiness, how much... It's thoughts. It's thoughts. It's not the other way around. It's not that the planet exists and we have to, now it's gonna be a bad year or... No, it's thoughts. You need to learn how to take charge of creating your own.

environment and if you don't do it consciously you are doing it unconsciously or subconsciously you are doing it on automatic pilot because you see the news California is burning and just by that acknowledgement for five seconds that you acknowledge that California is burning a new square meter of fire just started it's like we're that powerful

that power consciousness the mind of a matter and people don't believe this people don't understand that they are creating their planet every second the war has been terrible and again maybe one more hour of war just by acknowledging it and seeing it and stating it because you are making it and people don't think so people think it's the other way around no i'm just acknowledging i'm seeing the news because it's so bad yeah but you're making another day of it just by acknowledging

Tania (57:02.742)

Hey.

Salvador (57:31.805)

You just throw in another bit of energy, another battery of energy to make it last a bit more. Learn how to...

Tania (57:38.57)

How did you see this in, how did, when you're saying this, right, is it because you saw your thought changing the energy, like the electric charge? How does that look like? I know this is very difficult to explain, but what does that mean?

Salvador (58:01.262)

Persistent thought creates, into matter. Light thought, or not just so persistent, gives an idea, gives you, when you imagine, when you see images in your head, when you dream, when you...

Okay, you can be here and you can be imagining something and you imagine going to the beach and doing this and what bikini of swimsuit you take or where you're go for you can imagine those things. That's one kind of reality construction passing by but it's but you can act on it or not or you can insist on it or not then you can create reality in a way.

I just got an invitation to go to the beach that's why I mentioned this I just got a message

Tania (58:42.742)

That's what I heard. I heard the tone. So next is beach plants for Sal.

Salvador (58:54.446)

Yes, it's like 40 degrees outside. great. Dubai must be boiling too.

Tania (58:58.877)

It's very boiling. My daughter keeps asking, mom, when will the world become not hot again? It's so really... It's unfortunately going to be this way, kid. It's very hot.

Salvador (59:16.08)

So the way I see it... Okay, let's put it this way. The same one that we were talking before that wants to get to know himself.

Salvador (59:30.274)

fact that here we see war as something bad on the other side when you transition to the other side you understand this is just a theater and there's no good or bad and the war is not a problem because physical pain and a physical good or bad all these conditions the game it's like monopoly money worth you cannot take monopoly money to the store

only worth it the game you're not like hey here I just made this money here's for my groceries doesn't matter they tell you get out of here know it doesn't matter

Salvador (01:00:05.592)

pain, the trauma, all this suffering, it serves a purpose. Because you cannot see the light if there's no dark. And from the dark, the darker it is, the more light you need. So it's a source of love. It's like the beginning of a new way of loving. War is just a beginning. So, and because there's no good or bad, it's just...

a way of doing things is just you understand that it's just a mechanism expanding in the whole like a cylinder proportionally and it's one thing that doesn't exist without the other and if we we are huge beings of light

when we shrink ourselves to become here human on this set of rules we played we realize but this hurts and this is pain and this is sad and this is but we shrink ourselves to that aspect because we are here we are bigger outside we are soul pure love you're always pure spirit love consciousness just being loving and it's just being

It's like you're bored and say, okay, let's make a game because I want to see, want to learn what could come out of this. So what kind of love is coming out of this? This kind of light is going to come out of this. So then again, the game. Then there's another aspect, which is, okay, I need to send me talking as a creator.

creating a game because I want to experience what the beach would be like, beautiful ocean and beautiful waves and, and, but I also want to experience what it would be like to be a victim. And I want to experience what it would be like to be a criminal or a war or what kind of union comes after the war, what kind of unconditional love for the next one comes after the wars. So the benefit of a war.

Salvador (01:02:02.784)

Okay, I need to send part of me to be the criminal and part of me to be the good ones. Even if all the good ones believe they're good and all the bad ones believe the other ones are bad and so on and on. So it's like the people fighting in this war, it's like two hands from the same body. Okay, they're just washing themselves.

Salvador (01:02:31.52)

So yeah, it's two arms of the same thing. These humans killing each other, these humans, they come from the same. It's just the same playing with itself.

Tania (01:02:36.906)

Just different experiences.

Salvador (01:02:46.638)

for a purpose.

Tania (01:02:48.298)

This is even when bad things happen, we never say that I wish that didn't happen. We I don't we would be like, thank God it happened because I did learn something out of it. So wars would be that financial stress would be something death of death of a loved one divorces. All of this is just you're learning something out of it. Something will come out of

When did you come back then? How was it like when you came back? Or how did you come back into the body? Because right now your soul is everywhere enjoying. And what was that moment like when you were back in the body?

Salvador (01:03:28.44)

So when I understood it's like after the movie of my life, I had some questions which the entity showed me the answers. And then I was like, I reached a point was like, okay, I'm sorry. Because the last question was like, so why did I, how did I get into this point? That I'm lying on the floor wishing to die, you know, what the heck? And that gets explained. And at end of the explanation, it's like,

Tania (01:03:48.284)

Mm. Mm.

Salvador (01:03:57.164)

My whole life it sorted. was like I had all my answers. My whole life got explained. I'm feeling pretty great. I was like this is cool. I like this. You know I was feeling the blissful of just being like energy. And then.

Tania (01:04:12.49)

What was the answer to that? What did they say that this is why you got to this point?

Salvador (01:04:18.712)

be where I was right now.

That was the only door to open to get there, to have that experience, to meet the creator, to have my answers about existence, about what is beyond, about all my personality, the way I grew up having these questions and being a dreamer and being a... I have my own questions and you get your answers. That's why I say be careful what you wish for because you will experience it or if you know how powerful thoughts are, you'll never think negative again.

those things, spelling, know, what why do they call them spelling? Why do they call them all this magic? There's a reason for it. At the same time, let's call it God. God loves you so much that he will give you because because you create your own reality, it will give you what you want to believe.

You want to believe it's hard, it will be. You want to believe it's good, it will be. And you are free to choose your beliefs. You are. That's the gift. That's the game. That's the game. We're all independent. And we all are connected to the same because we all benefiting the same. Same is learning with all of us. So.

Yeah, let's just work together or not, but have a blast, you know, just so in that moment that I realized this kind of moment of, okay, now choose. And and I was like, subconsciously thinking, I want to play again, because now I know the rules. was just like, I'm now I'm good. I'm going to go now. I'm going to be happy.

Salvador (01:06:00.258)

I know I'm gonna be happy and at the same time, so this is an acknowledgement from both parts. I'm going through this at the same time that entity is telling me. We're both acknowledging that I want to come back, the process is for me to come back and I'm like, what else? And the entity just goes giving me kind of a list of things.

how I was going to behave, what I was going to do, what things to give importance, what things to not give importance at all. And then after that message, it was just like it's time to go and I got out of there and went back to the darkness and then I see the planet again coming bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger and me coming to the body and...

Tania (01:06:54.666)

You know, this is the exact scene that is there in the movie, the soul. Do you know in the soul? The soul is coming. It's like flying to the planet and the planet is coming closer. they're like, the first time the soul comes to the planet, the soul is very scared. But the second, so then it has an NDE, by the way, soul, okay? It's an animated movie. It has an NDE and then it goes through all of that. It gets the answers. It realizes the purpose in life is just to enjoy. And then the second time the soul is coming back. And this time that soul is happy.

like excited, so excited to play the

Salvador (01:07:27.99)

I'm gonna Google that because I've never seen that. It's called the soul.

Tania (01:07:31.038)

it's called the soul. You're going to love it because I think it was also probably a story of someone who had an NDE. So everything, it's like the tunnel is there where they're going to the source. Absolutely amazing movie. it's exactly, can say next time you go on a podcast, can say, you know, just like how that scene in the soul. Yeah. You could say exactly that. So after you had this, right, after you came back, how did your reality change?

Salvador (01:07:49.934)

Have you seen the salt?

Tania (01:08:00.274)

Like, let's say you, how did you integrate with it? So I just know that you had, you had issues with your dad and then you had the financial issues. How did those financial issues flip or the thing with that change?

Salvador (01:08:11.982)

everything flipped with the understanding of switching off the mind and grabbing that like the cord, the spirit cord that I have in me, like every human being has, which now I know it's a cord that it's connected to.

the bigger side and the bigger side and the bigger side to the energetic side of spirit let's call it spirit of soul of being of existing of being just by ignoring everything that is physical everything that all the narratives of the planets all the news all the noise all the opinions everything and just by focusing on it

And by feeling it, how good it is Because I have the knowledge of the... or the knowing of that If I hold that feeling of heaven on earth Which is why the whole question was I can bring this back I can bring this feeling of unconditional love back to the game This can be that good Living on the planet can be amazing So just by holding it

holding on to it, to your heart center, to your soul essence, which is basically meditation, I guess, but a conscious state of meditation. It's a conscious awareness of the purity that it's life. And just by holding it, you start cleaning up and you're cleaning up and you're cleaning up.

Salvador (01:09:55.936)

And then you realize that as you hold on to something that you life and you imagining it in your head. And now I know I'm building it just by imagining it and I'm building it and I'm building it and I'm making it happen and I'm building the walls and I'm building the scenario and I'm building and I know that the right people will come to it because there's more people interested in experience that the same way as me. And because the soul is so big that it will give the intervenence the other actors and the other aspects. And yes it will rain and yes it will be an accident that it will be loving and then it will be.

There's you build it just by being in that state of creating and I Got into that because I was like, know better People would come the doctor would tell me are you gonna need to take these? Seven pills for the rest of your life and I was looking at him and said you're so wrong Take that stuff

You don't need any pills. Your body reacts to you. Almost me speaking to the doctor going, no, your body reacts to you instead of being. What are you talking about? You can heal.

Tania (01:11:01.696)

Did you just have a heart attack or me?

Salvador (01:11:07.232)

You know, and you start this. So it was not easy in the beginning. There was, it was easy for me. It was the easiest was loving, but, but you realize how people are in their own process and you're like, okay, I don't even have time to try to change your mind because I need to pay attention to what I'm building. Cause I know now that my homework is to build my experience. Otherwise I'm going to live in the experience created by others, by their other narratives. And.

Tania (01:11:34.837)

I love that.

Salvador (01:11:36.46)

the narrative, the narrative, not the homework is create your own narrative, create your own experience. So the biggest work was that to stay in that loving state of being because it's powerful. It's powerful and grab onto what you want to experience and think about it and then write it down.

and feel it, then all of the law of attractions and then the secret came out like two or three years after that or four years, I don't remember. And then what some coaches teach and what some today, many, many, many, many, many teachers this way this is boomed tremendously, which was what we were told at the time 20 years ago, that's what we were told.

The next 10 to 20 years is gonna be all of these subsistences is gonna be like spread like wildfire. All of this awareness. This is gonna spread like.

Tania (01:12:32.982)

Who told this? When you say when you were there, you got predictions.

Salvador (01:12:40.622)

I won't call it predictions, I call it understandings. Understandings, it's facts. It's like you see, what's gonna happen? It's just like the background. It's like the electricity that builds everything. It's like if that current changes, everything inevitably will change. Yes.

Tania (01:12:43.766)

understandings,

Tania (01:13:02.826)

The ripple effect, the whole thing will change.

Salvador (01:13:05.59)

Yeah, so it changes energetically from the inside and because it's mind over matter, the energy is the source of everything. As a consequence, the trees will change, the oceans will change, the people will change, the consciousness will change. It's like when the snake releases the old skin and releases the old skin or a lobster when it releases the old body and moves on to the next one.

Salvador (01:13:36.238)

I did have a question for you though. Because in the time when we spoke, and I'm going to tell you, don't, we can continue this in another time, but at the 3 .30 I need to take a phone call. It's like in...

Tania (01:13:51.39)

Yeah, yeah, You can take it. We will do something. We'll just wrap it up with a...

Yeah, so we are done. We had the second NDE, but we don't have time for the second NDE. Do you think you can wrap up the second NDE? We'll do it. No, no, no, we'll do the second NDE later. So we'll just wrap this up. I'll ask you like three questions to wrap up this thing. And yeah, then that's it. We'll talk about your book as well.

Salvador (01:14:06.252)

The second in the... Or we can meet again.

Salvador (01:14:21.388)

Yes, because I also had a question for you that at the time we spoke, because I'm guessing you're from a different religious background. I'm guessing. Are you a Christian? where are you from? Are you from Dubai? Where are you from?

Tania (01:14:30.836)

No, I'm

Tania (01:14:36.564)

I'm from India but born and raised in Dubai. So I'm a Christian surrounded by Muslims and Hindus and all sorts of religions.

Salvador (01:14:44.423)

India, India it's a mix. I thought India would they were all mostly Hindu. There's a lot.

Tania (01:14:48.274)

No, India is a mix. Total mix. We Christians, the Hindus are killing the Muslims, Hindus are killing, like we kill each other. It's a fun country. Everybody's there. Yeah.

Salvador (01:15:05.006)

Okay, okay, because I was so curious because I got that understanding from you that you had a wide range perspective on religious, the religious. And I did think we were going to speak more about that in this conversation, because I was curious, wanted to hear your perspective. Because mine is very blunt on since that episode, my opinion about religious is just very quick and very fast and very blunt about it.

Tania (01:15:35.539)

Well, I do have the Quran and the Bhagavad Gita and the Bible and everything. It's very beautiful. I think actually the Bhagavad Gita, the Hindu religion, they speak more about your experience. They are so spiritual. It's so beautiful. Let me see. There is this

Tania (01:16:01.088)

There's this one beautiful painting, picture that it shows here.

Tania (01:16:12.118)

So this is the Bhagavad Gita.

So here it shows that we are going through these different cycles, you see?

Tania (01:16:23.57)

It's all of these different cycles. So it's like the Bhagavad Gita explains it so beautifully. And then you see here, this is showing that you are here and your soul, your higher self is playing your game as a human over here. You see, they and and and then OK, and then this is here. Look at this one. This is so good.

Salvador (01:16:41.186)

Yeah, pretty much.

Salvador (01:16:47.038)

But have self -will, but remember you have self -will, the toy at the bottom being played by something, it's not like that, you are given self -will, have freedom of choice, you have self -will. But anyway, but carry on. I do know that the Indu is the closest one to what we've experienced, it's the closest one. There's some diversions, but it's the closest one.

Tania (01:17:04.128)

Hindu, yeah.

Tania (01:17:07.946)

Hinduism is the closest one. But the thing is with Hinduism, right? What I've realized is when you speak to Hindus, they already know all the stuff. So they're not that excited about talking about it. But with the Christians and the Muslims, when you say Christians, that there's reincarnation, then we can fight. They say you are a demonic. Then you talk about, so like the conversation gets super exciting when I talk about it with Hindu, with Christians and Muslims.

But with Hindus, they're like, yeah, reincarnation is real. Yeah, self is there. Yeah. They're like, they know everything. They know everything.

Whatever you're talking about. You saw the source and ND, like Shada, we know it already. I'm a little bored talking to Hindus because no matter what I say, they're like, sure, so we know it. But Muslims are the most fun. They fight. And then I get so passionate and then we fight with each other because it's like you talk about reincarnation. No, for them, is hell, 100%. There's heaven and

Salvador (01:17:58.38)

Hahaha

Salvador (01:18:13.986)

You can have the experience if you want to because again, your thoughts and your desires are so powerful that if you believe that you're going to hell, you will go through a process of again, because it's mind of a matter, you can create the experience of what we call hell because then again, you're so loved and you're so powerful that if that's what you want, we'll give that experience. It's literally like that. The creator being you, why wouldn't you give to yourself what you want to experience? the version of that person,

me that wants to experience hell sure go there and tell me how it was it was not nice okay come back it's not forever it was just a test you know it's it you can create everything to experience so the people that there was a debate with with someone else too because so hell exists as soon as you get out of here it's like pure bliss you're just spirit your source it's not hell but there's people that have been through this and say yes you can but that's temporary

Tania (01:19:14.134)

But you know, there's actually when you say that hell is temporary, Even I tell people that hell is not real, hell is temporary. But then they say that the Bible talk mentions hell more than heaven. Then there are people who say that they have seen hell. You know, on YouTube you've got a lot of them seeing hell.

Salvador (01:19:31.534)

The Bible was made by humans.

Tania (01:19:36.052)

Yeah, that is... But then they say that Jesus spoke about hell more and I don't know, I don't know Bible that much, but it does, Jesus does do speak about hell too. And Muslims fully believe in hell. They know and this... mind is to hell.

Salvador (01:19:47.874)

The mind is the hell, the way you get stuck yourself and then because it is that powerful.

It's again, and I think Jesus' role is misunderstood too. I think he's just giving an example of how it's possible to live in this game. He was not special or different. He was just reaching out to some abilities that we can all have and a way of living that we can all have. I think he was just showing, hey guys, by the way, this is what you can do in this game. You can walk on water, even if that is just whatever happened. You can have enough fishes you want, the multiplications, all the miracles that

that he described that he did they're all explanations of mind over matter all it's only mind over matter he was just explaining unconditional love mind over matter doesn't matter give the other cheek why you're getting offended you're giving hell to yourself why you're getting upset just doesn't matter

Yeah, so he was showing a way to live by choice. Say, hey, yeah, you can live like you can get offended if you want, you can get upset. Sure. Or you cannot. You can just love and keep going. And I don't know. I'm not a fanatic by far. But I think it's still a bit misunderstood what actually it represents.

the whole history around Jesus and he was just a way show. said, hey guys, by the way, you can live like this. He didn't say follow me, didn't say I am the Lord, I am the... He just gave an example. But anyway, let's not get into religion.

Tania (01:21:30.346)

No, the Jesus part is confusing. mean, sometimes I would say that Jesus is just like us. Then I think it changes. Like last week I had an ex -Satanist on the show, on the podcast. So he was talking about how, you know, anyone who says that you cannot communicate directly with God is lying. You can communicate directly with God. So then that got me thinking, then why is Jesus in the picture then?

Because, you know, I don't know now if the Course in Miracles is true, because in the Course in Miracles, Jesus says that you, like, why did Jesus say, you can speak to me? then, like, you know, we have that thing as well, right? Where it's easier to communicate with Jesus than with God. So, there's, and then, so it's like a sort of confusion that comes up where in the Bible, Jesus,

talks like that and then in the Quran they say that Jesus is just a prophet and they don't give too much importance to Jesus in the Quran or any teachings. They don't even mention any of the teachings of Jesus.

Salvador (01:22:40.578)

beliefs the belief for example people the way people imagine God God would never speak with me who am I I don't deserve it I'm such a sinner I was drunk I slept with that person I did this why would God even receive him maybe God doesn't see me because I've seen so much but but hey you can speak with that guy he will speak with God you know there's a messenger it's okay this guy is more accessible he he was with the prostitutes and the drunks and the sick people and he walks barefoot and the Jesus you

speak with them. It's just a way of... it's again it's belief. It's belief. It's just we create our own barriers with beliefs. Why would it be difficult to speak with God? At the same time they say God is everywhere. Everything is God. So I am God. So can speak with myself. How can I listen to the part of God of me? okay. It's that simple.

Tania (01:23:38.41)

You know, if you think like that, right, if you think about the ascended masters who came, Buddha, he didn't even write a book. He did not write a book, but his essence is still radiating everywhere on the planet. Yashua came and he did a great job. in that, the name of so Jesus says that there is God. Buddha says that there is no God, that God is within you. Right. So if you look at it,

The more number of people that killed were the people who tried to propagate Christianity. But Buddhism, I don't know how many people got killed in Buddhism, but it's not so much or so many. They go into the breath and they go into those kind of things. So I'm like, don't you think Buddha actually might have done a better job than Yashwa? Right? Then.

Salvador (01:24:32.914)

But again, who did the killing and that was human mind again, the same that happened in Egypt and the same that happened. The message got to the planet and at the time was just spoken.

The message was just spoken was channelers. There was channelers speaking. They were channeling voice of reason and they wouldn't need to convince anyone because you know when you see a channeled message you don't question it. You feel the source of it. The purity of it. So there was just speakers and it was forbidden to write down. Then a few centuries passed by and started writing.

and then the people who had it written realized the power over others that had given. And then it started diverting almost into spiritual neighborhoods, one being Hindu, Christian, whatever. Today there's like 3 ,000 churches of religion. So the words that were spoken only

from the moment it started being written and used by man as a tool to control and to manipulate the killings involved that was that was a man -made situation and that's when the let's say the killing started when men started using diverting the teachings to their own

gain so yeah i wouldn't put it even as christians or not or white men black men indu not indu doesn't matter it's yeah some people are just like that some people will do what they can to they realize wait a minute i can control people with this i have the book you got given to me by this is the sacred book you should do as i say

Tania (01:26:23.634)

The Torah is just everything is in here. You just follow the Torah or you get killed and hanged publicly.

Salvador (01:26:31.0)

That's human, that's human because source, card, spirit would never kill anything because it's killing himself because it's like me chopping one finger. No, I want them all. I need them all. I need both all the fingers in my hand. Why would I cut one and say no, it just doesn't make sense. But anyway.

It's funny how you have reached all of them. You have a very wide perspective on it.

Tania (01:27:04.148)

Yeah, I went searching for God and then, but the thing is my idea of God keeps changing all the time, right? Depends on what I'm reading at the moment. And I feel like though, you know, when you say you are following more of Buddhism because you're saying that you met yourself, your higher self, that act...

Salvador (01:27:21.768)

I'm not following, I'm not saying that I follow, I don't follow anything. And when you say meeting God or speaking with God, it's just that spark I had from my, probably influenced from my experience. There's an electric charge to the body. It's an electric current, electricity around the muscle of the heart. Electricity, a spark, spark of life. My perspective, because that's the essence of life. That's what...

Tania (01:27:24.917)

No.

Salvador (01:27:50.742)

I call God that energy of life itself that makes life happen and it's everywhere. You can speak with it. It's easy. It's easy to speak because you are part of it. You are God. It's not somewhere that is over there that we need to walk in a line and wait for a visit. No.

It's in here. We don't need to call it God. can call it source of everything or all there is or existence or universal consciousness, whatever you want to call it. Life itself. It's not that I follow Buddhism. I

Tania (01:28:26.868)

No, you don't follow Buddhism. The essence of Buddhism is like the...

Salvador (01:28:31.198)

it's it's the cleanest i would say from all of them that written and the bible and then i'm gonna put this and then i'm gonna put that because i need money and they need to pay me because i'm all powerful but i need money and then you need to pay me and the other one says if you don't do like this you are an infidel and you're gonna be chopped off and and that's not god that's not

Tania (01:28:50.31)

Not in Quran, but in the Muslims they say that you have to give 2%. It's very precise. 2 % of the thing you have to give to enter. I I'm posting it in the Middle East. I will probably get sent to Portugal. I'll get escorted to Portugal from here. But yeah, there are these things that they say. It's funny. You know, I would love

Salvador (01:29:00.84)

we

Salvador (01:29:08.366)

I'm gonna how did we get in trouble.

Tania (01:29:17.3)

Yeah, I would love to continue our conversation forever and ever. There's like so many things that I wanted to speak with you. But because of time constraints, we're going to wrap up. I'm going to ask you a few couple of questions. About God, I'm not going to ask because I think we don't know. it's like you can't really explain it about God. And that's the electric charge that you're talking about.

Salvador (01:29:31.693)

I really am.

Salvador (01:29:41.507)

oops I have it can I okay one second oops I do have to take this what was the question disappeared

Tania (01:29:43.732)

What do you think is our... Okay.

Ticket, ticket, yeah, yeah, ticket, ticket.

Tania (01:29:58.265)

that's fine. Okay, so I'm just going to ask you about where can we find you and then we'll wrap it up with that. your friend.

Salvador (01:30:03.719)

Okay. Can I share with you? I have the book from the Captain Heart. This is an important call. I'm really sorry. Okay, I'll share with you, okay? Thank you. Okay, okay. I'm so sorry and thank you.

Tania (01:30:12.402)

You can take it. You can take the call. can take the call. Okay. I will wrap it up here. I will tell them where to find your details. Okay. So I'm just going to say thank you to this Salvador and you can just say thank you. you, Salvador. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you. See you. See

Salvador (01:30:28.43)

Thank you. Thank you. I love that. Thank you. See you soon for second time.

Tania (01:30:55.2)

That was such a fun interview. That was such a fun conversation with Sal. Unfortunately, he had to take a new call. One second, honey. I'm just going to come now. Yeah, one second. I'm just wrapping

I'm coming, just give me one minute.

Yes, I'm coming. I'm Coming. Just give me one minute. So I'll come. That was such a, that was such a fun interview. That was such a fun conversation with Sal. If you want to know where you can find Sal and its new book, if that was such a fun, say it one more time. That was such a fun conversation with Sal. I'm so excited to have him on the podcast. If you want links to where you can find Sal, please look at the show notes below or in the YouTube description. Thank you so much. And I'll see you in the next episode. Bye